What will happen to Vauxhall's lineup now no GM??
Discussion
As I’m sure most of you know, although the press on here seems to have been a little low key on it.
GM has sold off Vauxhall and Opel to PSA (Peugeot and Citroen).
What does this mean for future models??
As I’m sure many on here will deny, Vauxhall and Opel haven’t really produced much in the way of their own cars for a long long time. Mostly because GM had owned Vauxhall since 1925 and Opel since 1929. Meaning that most of the cars since then, or at least the post war ones have all had GM origins of some kind. And have often been sold under many different brands across the globe, including Pontiac, Holden, Buick, Chevrolet, etc.
One thing seems certain, it’s the end of the V8 Holden rebadged models for the UK.
And much of the Vauxhall/Opel range seems to be direct competitors to much of the Pug/Citroen range….. ???? So will this continue, or will PSA want to reposition their new acquisition? Or will we simply see Pugs with Vauxhall badges on?
Thoughts?
GM has sold off Vauxhall and Opel to PSA (Peugeot and Citroen).
What does this mean for future models??
As I’m sure many on here will deny, Vauxhall and Opel haven’t really produced much in the way of their own cars for a long long time. Mostly because GM had owned Vauxhall since 1925 and Opel since 1929. Meaning that most of the cars since then, or at least the post war ones have all had GM origins of some kind. And have often been sold under many different brands across the globe, including Pontiac, Holden, Buick, Chevrolet, etc.
One thing seems certain, it’s the end of the V8 Holden rebadged models for the UK.
And much of the Vauxhall/Opel range seems to be direct competitors to much of the Pug/Citroen range….. ???? So will this continue, or will PSA want to reposition their new acquisition? Or will we simply see Pugs with Vauxhall badges on?
Thoughts?
Robmarriott said:
300bhp/ton said:
One thing seems certain, it’s the end of the V8 Holden rebadged models for the UK.
Stick Legs said:
508 badged as as Opel Insignia.
308 badged as an Opel Astra.
Suspect as previously stated Vauxhall will probably go as can't see PSA running 2 parallel brands like that.
I'd like to see Vauxhall retained as a performance brand for the GSI type cars. But I doubt it.
or maintain vauxhall as the brand for some countries as it carries a better reputation.308 badged as an Opel Astra.
Suspect as previously stated Vauxhall will probably go as can't see PSA running 2 parallel brands like that.
I'd like to see Vauxhall retained as a performance brand for the GSI type cars. But I doubt it.
Efbe said:
or maintain vauxhall as the brand for some countries as it carries a better reputation.
Not sure it does.They will keep Opel rather than Vauxhall if they even bother. Vauxhall means nothing outside the UK.
Don't Vauxhall already have a badge engineered Peugeot? Is it the Mokka?
Efbe said:
Stick Legs said:
508 badged as as Opel Insignia.
308 badged as an Opel Astra.
Suspect as previously stated Vauxhall will probably go as can't see PSA running 2 parallel brands like that.
I'd like to see Vauxhall retained as a performance brand for the GSI type cars. But I doubt it.
or maintain vauxhall as the brand for some countries as it carries a better reputation.308 badged as an Opel Astra.
Suspect as previously stated Vauxhall will probably go as can't see PSA running 2 parallel brands like that.
I'd like to see Vauxhall retained as a performance brand for the GSI type cars. But I doubt it.
Efbe said:
or maintain vauxhall as the brand for some countries as it carries a better reputation.
Genuine question here - in which countries does Vauxhall have a good reputation?I'd honestly opine that Ford (for example) has a miles better image than Vauxhall in the UK, despite being nip-and-tuck in terms of products.
SpeckledJim said:
Genuine question here - in which countries does Vauxhall have a good reputation?
I'd honestly opine that Ford (for example) has a miles better image than Vauxhall in the UK, despite being nip-and-tuck in terms of products.
Not sure PSA will get away with putting Ford badges on them though I'd honestly opine that Ford (for example) has a miles better image than Vauxhall in the UK, despite being nip-and-tuck in terms of products.
Stick Legs said:
508 badged as as Opel Insignia.
308 badged as an Opel Astra.
Suspect as previously stated Vauxhall will probably go as can't see PSA running 2 parallel brands like that.
I'd like to see Vauxhall retained as a performance brand for the GSI type cars. But I doubt it.
Is this a thing? The 508 is a donkeys ages old thing and any AWD is via a lash-up of the old FWD with and electric motor on the rear wheels. A big part of the spend on Opel may have been access to the GM E2XX platform? Even the old Insignia may have been an improvement on the 508. I don't know what IP PSA got with their purchase.....or did they buy Opel to simply snuff out the brand and thus competition? That'd seem a bit short sighted.308 badged as an Opel Astra.
Suspect as previously stated Vauxhall will probably go as can't see PSA running 2 parallel brands like that.
I'd like to see Vauxhall retained as a performance brand for the GSI type cars. But I doubt it.
I would have thought they will keep vauxhall as a brand but most likely will kill off certain models and focus on only the ones that sell in the UK. Hope the new insigina stays as that seems like a really nice car for the money.
I have a last gen astra for 3 years as a company car and it was decent, not amazing but not worth the abuse they get on here.
I have a last gen astra for 3 years as a company car and it was decent, not amazing but not worth the abuse they get on here.
SpeckledJim said:
Efbe said:
or maintain vauxhall as the brand for some countries as it carries a better reputation.
Genuine question here - in which countries does Vauxhall have a good reputation?I'd honestly opine that Ford (for example) has a miles better image than Vauxhall in the UK, despite being nip-and-tuck in terms of products.
Zetec-S said:
SpeckledJim said:
Efbe said:
or maintain vauxhall as the brand for some countries as it carries a better reputation.
Genuine question here - in which countries does Vauxhall have a good reputation?I'd honestly opine that Ford (for example) has a miles better image than Vauxhall in the UK, despite being nip-and-tuck in terms of products.
Mine was a genuine question about whether there are markets where Vauxhall is seen differently to how it is seen here.
No provocation intended.
SpeckledJim said:
Zetec-S said:
SpeckledJim said:
Efbe said:
or maintain vauxhall as the brand for some countries as it carries a better reputation.
Genuine question here - in which countries does Vauxhall have a good reputation?I'd honestly opine that Ford (for example) has a miles better image than Vauxhall in the UK, despite being nip-and-tuck in terms of products.
Mine was a genuine question about whether there are markets where Vauxhall is seen differently to how it is seen here.
No provocation intended.
Genuine question - where else are Vauxhall's sold (as opposed to Opel)?
Stick Legs said:
508 badged as as Opel Insignia.
308 badged as an Opel Astra.
Suspect as previously stated Vauxhall will probably go as can't see PSA running 2 parallel brands like that.
I'd like to see Vauxhall retained as a performance brand for the GSI type cars. But I doubt it.
Nope, what's more likely is that PSA will supply engines and platforms to be clothed in Vauxhall panels, in the same vain that VAG products are built.308 badged as an Opel Astra.
Suspect as previously stated Vauxhall will probably go as can't see PSA running 2 parallel brands like that.
I'd like to see Vauxhall retained as a performance brand for the GSI type cars. But I doubt it.
I know people who still will absolutely not buy a French car, those same people won't even know that a French company owns their 'UK' brand....
There's no reason for them to buy a brand to bin it off, they could just have waited for it to fizzle out on it's own rather than spending the money.
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