Essex EDL Rally today....
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It's this bloke...
http://greaterlondon.englishdemocrats.party/catego...
https://twitter.com/grahamhmoore
Hands up who's surprised at the basic line he's taking there, together with some of the names he supports?
http://greaterlondon.englishdemocrats.party/catego...
https://twitter.com/grahamhmoore
Hands up who's surprised at the basic line he's taking there, together with some of the names he supports?
Here is the loon project that they are banging on about -
https://takebackcontrolvote.files.wordpress.com/20...
I am reminded of some other loons who tried to intervene in the Factortame* litigation to argue that all EU law was treacherous and unconstitutional. A mega fruitloop called Michael Shrimpton (since a convicted bomb hoaxer) was their counsel. He also did the Metric Martyrs case and got the sharp end of some splendid judicial wit from the always witty Lord Justice Laws.
* That case concerned UK attempts to impose some fishing rules that were incompatible with EU fishing rules. The case was notable because it involved the UK courts striking down a UK Act of Parliament. It also raised the possibility of suing the UK Government for damages for getting the law wrong in some limited Euro-contexts. In a constitutional law triple whammy, it also ended the notion that the Courts could not grant injunction against the Crown.
https://takebackcontrolvote.files.wordpress.com/20...
I am reminded of some other loons who tried to intervene in the Factortame* litigation to argue that all EU law was treacherous and unconstitutional. A mega fruitloop called Michael Shrimpton (since a convicted bomb hoaxer) was their counsel. He also did the Metric Martyrs case and got the sharp end of some splendid judicial wit from the always witty Lord Justice Laws.
* That case concerned UK attempts to impose some fishing rules that were incompatible with EU fishing rules. The case was notable because it involved the UK courts striking down a UK Act of Parliament. It also raised the possibility of suing the UK Government for damages for getting the law wrong in some limited Euro-contexts. In a constitutional law triple whammy, it also ended the notion that the Courts could not grant injunction against the Crown.
Breadvan72 said:
Here is the loon project that they are banging on about -
https://takebackcontrolvote.files.wordpress.com/20...
I am reminded of some other loons who tried to intervene in the Factortame* litigation to argue that all EU law was treacherous and unconstitutional. A mega fruitloop called Michael Shrimpton (since a convicted bomb hoaxer) was their counsel. He also did the Metric Martyrs case and got the sharp end of some splendid judicial wit from the always witty Lord Justice Laws.
* That case concerned UK attempts to impose some fishing rules that were incompatible with EU fishing rules. The case was notable because it involved the UK courts striking down a UK Act of Parliament. It also raised the possibility of suing the UK Government for damages for getting the law wrong in some limited Euro-contexts. In a constitutional law triple whammy, it also ended the notion that the Courts could not grant injunction against the Crown.
Surely you're missing an ' ?https://takebackcontrolvote.files.wordpress.com/20...
I am reminded of some other loons who tried to intervene in the Factortame* litigation to argue that all EU law was treacherous and unconstitutional. A mega fruitloop called Michael Shrimpton (since a convicted bomb hoaxer) was their counsel. He also did the Metric Martyrs case and got the sharp end of some splendid judicial wit from the always witty Lord Justice Laws.
* That case concerned UK attempts to impose some fishing rules that were incompatible with EU fishing rules. The case was notable because it involved the UK courts striking down a UK Act of Parliament. It also raised the possibility of suing the UK Government for damages for getting the law wrong in some limited Euro-contexts. In a constitutional law triple whammy, it also ended the notion that the Courts could not grant injunction against the Crown.
Breadvan72 said:
You appear to conflate migrants with refugees. All refugees are (at least perforce and sometimes temporarily) migrants. Not all migrants are refugees.
A great many Muslims in Britain are neither migrants nor refugees. They are locals.
Hatred of an out group blamed by populist politicians and their angry followers for all ills is exactly what links Nazis to modern far right groups.
If you think that all Buddhists and Hindus are sweet reason, and that only Muslims cause hassles, study the aftermath of the Partition of India in 1947, and have a look at a news feature about Burma today.
Oh please Breadvan, stop being such an apologist.A great many Muslims in Britain are neither migrants nor refugees. They are locals.
Hatred of an out group blamed by populist politicians and their angry followers for all ills is exactly what links Nazis to modern far right groups.
If you think that all Buddhists and Hindus are sweet reason, and that only Muslims cause hassles, study the aftermath of the Partition of India in 1947, and have a look at a news feature about Burma today.
We all know the difference between refugees and migrants, but we also all know that 90% of the people clamouring across the mediterranean in liferafts have no intention of returning to Syria and basically want to start a new life in Europe.
And yes, we know about Myanmar too, but its always the same old same old. Even the Buddhists are fed up with them.
The fact is, at this moment in time, Muslims are followers of the most despised religion on the planet. They cannot even live in peace amongst each other, and even their internal conflicts always seem to be the fault of someone else.
Shay HTFC said:
Oh please Breadvan, stop being such an apologist.
We all know the difference between refugees and migrants, but we also all know that 90% of the people clamouring across the mediterranean in liferafts have no intention of returning to Syria and basically want to start a new life in Europe.
And yes, we know about Myanmar too, but its always the same old same old. Even the Buddhists are fed up with them.
The fact is, at this moment in time, Muslims are followers of the most despised religion on the planet. They cannot even live in peace amongst each other, and even their internal conflicts always seem to be the fault of someone else.
Did somebody actually just seek to defend what is happening in Burma? All those children and pregnant mothers, er... had it coming to them? We all know the difference between refugees and migrants, but we also all know that 90% of the people clamouring across the mediterranean in liferafts have no intention of returning to Syria and basically want to start a new life in Europe.
And yes, we know about Myanmar too, but its always the same old same old. Even the Buddhists are fed up with them.
The fact is, at this moment in time, Muslims are followers of the most despised religion on the planet. They cannot even live in peace amongst each other, and even their internal conflicts always seem to be the fault of someone else.
You are Aung San Suu Kyi AICMFP.
Apologist? Where are my apologia?
Breadvan72 said:
Shay HTFC said:
Oh please Breadvan, stop being such an apologist.
We all know the difference between refugees and migrants, but we also all know that 90% of the people clamouring across the mediterranean in liferafts have no intention of returning to Syria and basically want to start a new life in Europe.
And yes, we know about Myanmar too, but its always the same old same old. Even the Buddhists are fed up with them.
The fact is, at this moment in time, Muslims are followers of the most despised religion on the planet. They cannot even live in peace amongst each other, and even their internal conflicts always seem to be the fault of someone else.
Did somebody actually just seek to defend what is happening in Burma? All those children and pregnant mothers, er... had it coming to them? We all know the difference between refugees and migrants, but we also all know that 90% of the people clamouring across the mediterranean in liferafts have no intention of returning to Syria and basically want to start a new life in Europe.
And yes, we know about Myanmar too, but its always the same old same old. Even the Buddhists are fed up with them.
The fact is, at this moment in time, Muslims are followers of the most despised religion on the planet. They cannot even live in peace amongst each other, and even their internal conflicts always seem to be the fault of someone else.
You are Aung San Suu Kyi AICMFP.
Apologist? Where are my apologia?
There are millions of starving mothers and children dying in Africa who get more of my sympathy to be honest!
Boydie88 said:
Seems the group is this lot from a bit of a look around... https://takebackcontrol.vote/
Where's the rest of this thread gone?
There are a lot of fancy sounding words on that site, but they don't appear to be in any particular order. Where's the rest of this thread gone?
Is it one of those word search things, but for nutters?
Shay HTFC said:
Breadvan72 said:
Shay HTFC said:
And yes, we know about Myanmar too, but its always the same old same old. Even the Buddhists are fed up with them.
Did somebody actually just seek to defend what is happening in Burma? All those children and pregnant mothers, er... had it coming to them? You are Aung San Suu Kyi AICMFP.
There are millions of starving mothers and children dying in Africa who get more of my sympathy to be honest!
If your first reaction on hearing of systematic ethnic cleansing - genocide, even - depends on which religion the victims happen to be, then you seriously need to give your head a wobble.
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=56103
http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNe...
TooMany2cvs said:
Shay HTFC said:
Breadvan72 said:
Shay HTFC said:
And yes, we know about Myanmar too, but its always the same old same old. Even the Buddhists are fed up with them.
Did somebody actually just seek to defend what is happening in Burma? All those children and pregnant mothers, er... had it coming to them? You are Aung San Suu Kyi AICMFP.
There are millions of starving mothers and children dying in Africa who get more of my sympathy to be honest!
If your first reaction on hearing of systematic ethnic cleansing - genocide, even - depends on which religion the victims happen to be, then you seriously need to give your head a wobble.
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=56103
http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNe...
'Muslims piss everyone off' is kind of turning into the 'Africans are starving' headline of the current day.
Shay HTFC said:
'Muslims piss everyone off' is kind of turning into the 'Africans are starving' headline of the current day.
The Rohingya situation isn't new, btw. It's just really kicking off now that... well... now that a Nobel peace prize winner is running the country.They've been explicitly denied nationality for 35 years, ffs.
http://burmacampaign.org.uk/media/Myanmar%E2%80%99...
These people have done nothing whatsoever wrong - except inconveniently exist. If me simply being alive was "pissing everyone off", then I think I might be a tad hacked off.
Shay HTFC said:
Breadvan72 said:
You appear to conflate migrants with refugees. All refugees are (at least perforce and sometimes temporarily) migrants. Not all migrants are refugees.
A great many Muslims in Britain are neither migrants nor refugees. They are locals.
Hatred of an out group blamed by populist politicians and their angry followers for all ills is exactly what links Nazis to modern far right groups.
If you think that all Buddhists and Hindus are sweet reason, and that only Muslims cause hassles, study the aftermath of the Partition of India in 1947, and have a look at a news feature about Burma today.
Oh please Breadvan, stop being such an apologist.A great many Muslims in Britain are neither migrants nor refugees. They are locals.
Hatred of an out group blamed by populist politicians and their angry followers for all ills is exactly what links Nazis to modern far right groups.
If you think that all Buddhists and Hindus are sweet reason, and that only Muslims cause hassles, study the aftermath of the Partition of India in 1947, and have a look at a news feature about Burma today.
We all know the difference between refugees and migrants, but we also all know that 90% of the people clamouring across the mediterranean in liferafts have no intention of returning to Syria and basically want to start a new life in Europe.
And yes, we know about Myanmar too, but its always the same old same old. Even the Buddhists are fed up with them.
The fact is, at this moment in time, Muslims are followers of the most despised religion on the planet. They cannot even live in peace amongst each other, and even their internal conflicts always seem to be the fault of someone else.
Where are the Hindu and Buddhist news stories, I don't discriminate I dislike everybody ?
The poor persecuted Muslims do tend to be over represented in all manner of illegal activity, and as BV points out some of these are locals.
Sweden took in 160,000 "refugees" in 2015/16, they estimate 60,000 are not actually refugees. They have no mechanism at all to address / deport these 60,000.
So what is the real difference, one is a sob story about persecution which may or may not be provable , one is about job prospects, but once in very few go back, and both groups are a drain on the countries finances.
Edited by del mar on Monday 25th September 18:02
Not caring about history means ignoring its continuing consequences. Modern Pakistan is directly related to what happened in 1947. Modern Europe is directly related to what happened in 1939-45. Modern Korea is directly related to what happened in 1950-51. Not caring about Burma is, well, simply uncaring and inhumane; and anyway political violence and ethnic or religious strife destabilise the whole World. Butterfly effects are not limited to cyclones.
del mar said:
The poor persecuted Muslims do tend to be over represented in all manner of illegal activity, and as BV points out some of these are locals.
May I just say that I never said any such thing and would never say any such thing. Please do not misrepresent what I said. I said only that some (many) Muslims are locals, not imports. I do not endorse the sweeping (and, I suspect, false) statement about undue levels of Muslim participation in criminal activities of all manners. On another thread, we are discussing the presence of some Muslims in some types of crimes.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 25th September 18:21
I wonder if Muslims are unduly represented in the stats for alcohol related violence. Or might that perhaps be young white blokes? Should we ban all young white blokes? As someone may have mentioned on the other thread, chaps in good suits, mostly white, are the main culprits in insider trading cases. Ban all well tailored white guys?
muslims make up 4% of the UK population but appear to make up 14% of the prison population. So either they are committing more than their fair share of crimes or the system is racist and stacked against them.
You yourself said they appear to be over represented in cash for crash or words to that effect, so I will use you as my proof .... Can I call you as a witness or doesn't it work like that ?
This 4% appear to be right up there with cash for crash, and I do t recall any mass grooming issues from other ethnic groups. We have always had pedophiles but this is different approach.
Other than the 3% Welsh they seem over represented in terrorist incidents / charges.
HBVN quotes 12 or so honour killings a year, all victims appear to be of Pakistani decent.
Surely saying that you dont wants lots of non eu nationals in the country because they offer little and cost the economy a fortune, isn't racist it is common sense.
You yourself said they appear to be over represented in cash for crash or words to that effect, so I will use you as my proof .... Can I call you as a witness or doesn't it work like that ?
This 4% appear to be right up there with cash for crash, and I do t recall any mass grooming issues from other ethnic groups. We have always had pedophiles but this is different approach.
Other than the 3% Welsh they seem over represented in terrorist incidents / charges.
HBVN quotes 12 or so honour killings a year, all victims appear to be of Pakistani decent.
Surely saying that you dont wants lots of non eu nationals in the country because they offer little and cost the economy a fortune, isn't racist it is common sense.
You have asserted that Muslims are unduly represented in criminality of all kinds. "All manner of criminal activity". It is for you to prove that. You did not say some. You said all kinds, unless "all manner" is supposed to mean something else. . Shoplifting? Securities fraud? Murder? Drink driving? Fly tipping? Coke dealing? Burglary? Need I continue?
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 25th September 20:37
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