Labour Conference....total maddness or even possable ?

[Stickyfinger]

I will take your advice then.............out.

[MKnight702]

fido said:

sidicks said:

The VW group have masses of overlap between group companies.

Exactly, but they are all effectively making VW's - pretty much down to name badging and tweaks for different markets - shared platforms and engines. Sure for the premium brands you have some differentiation as that is where the profit is.

Having worked for Cosworth when it was a part of the VW Group I can say that they took all the best parts of BL, like the infighting and competition with their co-workers to new heights. At one point we were designing about 4 different V10 engines for Audi, each department determined that their V10 would be the best.

[Ali G]

I am lead to believe that no fewer than three separate avionics systems were developed independently by airbus with 2v1 determination of outcome owing to the fact that software engineering is ste but three ste systems may iron out the crap.

[eharding]

Vaud said:

Stickyfinger said:

Did you even read what he posted ?
If a "Guy in a Pub" talked to you like that.....what do you think would happen ? Down my way it would get more than a simple word.

I'd laugh and move on. Or drink with someone else. Or have a proper discussion over a drink.

One of the above.

I'd imagine that down Stickyfinger's way you'd probably get sliced up for looking at someone's pint funny. God knows what would happen if they thought you were taking the proverbial.

Mind you, I happen to know that BV is a master at the martial art of Kung Feng Shui, which enables him to re-arrange an assailant's features in such a way as to impart a feeling of calm and well being in everyone present - apart from the assailant, obviously.

Seeing him in action is a thing to behold - it's like a ninja mash-up of Yoda and Rumpole.

[otolith]

It's always the nice ones who turn out to be sneaky Sith Lords.

[Einion Yrth]

Ali G said:

I am lead to believe that no fewer than three separate avionics systems were developed independently by airbus with 2v1 determination of outcome owing to the fact that software engineering is ste but three ste systems may iron out the crap.

An interesting, and unnecessarily pejorative, if not entirely inaccurate assessment, It's a bit like flying with pilot, co-pilot and engineer; if all agree, that's excellent. If not taking the judgement of two out of three is your best bet. Quality of the software is almost irrelevant; I've never seen a bug-free program, have you?

[anonymous-user]

s2art said:

I doubt it. It won many awards when it first came out. Here are a few;

What Car? Car of the Year 1999.
What Car? Compact Executive Car of the Year 1999
What Car? Diesel Car of the Year 1999
Auto Express World Car 1999
The Journal / AA Business Car of the Year 1999
Italian World's Most Beautiful High Class Saloon 1999
Bild am Sonntag Golden Steering Wheel Award 1999
The Society of Plastic Engineers Innovative use of plastic 1999 for the 75's V6 plastic intake system.
British International Motor Show Best riding and handling front wheel drive saloon in the world 1999
Japanese 'Import Car of the Year' 1999
Japanese 'Import Car of the Year' 2000
New Zealand's National Business Review 'Car of the Year' 2000
Executive Class Portuguese Car of the Year 2000
What Car? Compact Executive Car of the Year 2000
The only executive car to be short-listed in the 2000 European Car of the Year Awards
Used Car Buyer 'Used Car of the Year 2000
Used Car Buyer Used Car of the Year 2001
Diesel Car Magazine Compact Executive Car 2001
JD Power customer satisfaction survey Only European car in the Top 5 2001

If I ever buy a car that has won any of those awards please can someone take me out of my misery?

[Vaud]

Ali G said:

I am lead to believe that no fewer than three separate avionics systems were developed independently by airbus with 2v1 determination of outcome owing to the fact that software engineering is ste but three ste systems may iron out the crap.

https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/15234...

I don't know the veracity of this source, but it seems to be worth a casual read...

[Ali G]

Einion Yrth said:

An interesting, and unnecessarily pejorative, if not entirely inaccurate assessment, It's a bit like flying with pilot, co-pilot and engineer; if all agree, that's excellent. If not taking the judgement of two out of three is your best bet. Quality of the software is almost irrelevant; I've never seen a bug-free program, have you?

The thread had a title did it not?

The subject of AI, self-driving cars and proving software may be elsewhere.

But this is discuss anything anywhere ya want day!

[anonymous-user]

Breadvan72 said:

NPE regulars: if you want to know what a "car" is, there is apparently a popular website that goes on about them (well, Audis and MX 5s anyway). It is called P something or other, but I have never actually read it as I hear it is rubbish.

Is that the web site that has spent the last 20 years trying to record every possible permutation of the same 6 threads?

[ATG]

Einion Yrth said:

Ali G said:

I am lead to believe that no fewer than three separate avionics systems were developed independently by airbus with 2v1 determination of outcome owing to the fact that software engineering is ste but three ste systems may iron out the crap.

An interesting, and unnecessarily pejorative, if not entirely inaccurate assessment, It's a bit like flying with pilot, co-pilot and engineer; if all agree, that's excellent. If not taking the judgement of two out of three is your best bet. Quality of the software is almost irrelevant; I've never seen a bug-free program, have you?

10 PRINT "ET VOILA"
20 GOTO 11

[ATG]

Worst bragging rights eva

man in the pub said:

Yeah, but it won The Society of Plastic Engineers Innovative use of plastic 1999

[Ali G]

Favourite films?

Shaun the sheep - the Hirst cut.

[anonymous-user]

ATG said:

Worst bragging rights eva

man in the pub said:

Yeah, but it won The Society of Plastic Engineers Innovative use of plastic 1999

Innovative use of plastic in a v6 intake system! Even the engine configuration is boring.

[Ali G]

fblm said:

Innovative use of plastic in a v6 intake system! Even the engine configuration is boring.

As was the alpha V6 configuration.

Very boring - even more when bored.

[anonymous-user]

Ali G said:

...alpha V6...

Really? Just be grateful I got to you before breadvan did.

[Ali G]

fblm said:

Really? Just be grateful I got to you before breadvan did.

So sorry - or is that sorey?

Too late man, too late.

The only option is nuke it from orbit.

[B'stard Child]

fblm said:

s2art said:

I doubt it. It won many awards when it first came out. Here are a few;

What Car? Car of the Year 1999.
What Car? Compact Executive Car of the Year 1999
What Car? Diesel Car of the Year 1999
Auto Express World Car 1999
The Journal / AA Business Car of the Year 1999
Italian World's Most Beautiful High Class Saloon 1999
Bild am Sonntag Golden Steering Wheel Award 1999
The Society of Plastic Engineers Innovative use of plastic 1999 for the 75's V6 plastic intake system.
British International Motor Show Best riding and handling front wheel drive saloon in the world 1999
Japanese 'Import Car of the Year' 1999
Japanese 'Import Car of the Year' 2000
New Zealand's National Business Review 'Car of the Year' 2000
Executive Class Portuguese Car of the Year 2000
What Car? Compact Executive Car of the Year 2000
The only executive car to be short-listed in the 2000 European Car of the Year Awards
Used Car Buyer 'Used Car of the Year 2000
Used Car Buyer Used Car of the Year 2001
Diesel Car Magazine Compact Executive Car 2001
JD Power customer satisfaction survey Only European car in the Top 5 2001

If I ever buy a car that has won any of those awards please can someone take me out of my misery?

I'd be inclined to leave you in it - a short sharp shock should stop you doing it again!!!

[johnfm]

Breadvan72 said:

NomduJour said:

Nationalised British Rail suffered from woeful underinvestment, hence why Network Rail is in the state it's in now.

Cannot believe anyone considers it viable - or this another wrong-kind-of-socialism argument?

That is not an argument against public ownership. It is an argument against under investment. The railways were knackered after the war, and remained under funded for ages. BR was just getting a bit good when it was broken up.

Check out some European railways and see what properly run state funded infrastructure can be like.

Assuming that because a thing was done badly in the past it must be a bad thing is, I suggest, a mistake. On that basis, no one would ever buy a failing business with a view to making it a good business.

You mean 'net contributor tax payer' funded, yes?

[nikaiyo2]

Breadvan72 said:

Bit of both, but mainly New Labour. PPP also really rubbish. The contracts that I have seen vary - some are paper thin, others tightly drafted . Mega litigation costs and risks if torn up. Potential for companies to assert human rights claims in Strasbourg under A1P1 ECHR (I kid you not, corporates can and do win cases asserting human rights. A1P1 protects property rights, and a contract can be a form of property).

I think tarring all PFI and PPP as rubbish is a bit short sighted, when used as they should be they can give investment in public infrastructure without government debt and arguably are a very fair way of funding infrastructure, where the actual benefactor pays.
For instance using PFI for a toll road or bridge would generally make sense.

Using the Brigthouse model to pay for schools and hospitals is idiocy, with respect this does not make the finance method rubbish, those agreeing to these PFI contracts on the other hand... deserve criticism.