Anti-Semitism and the British Left.

Anti-Semitism and the British Left.

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Lotobear

6,372 posts

129 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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I think he needs to dig up her old PIE connections - she dodged that one deftly at the time

Oakey

27,592 posts

217 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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johnxjsc1985 said:
did I just hear that Harriet Harman told a joke about getting 100 Jewish people into a mini. I won't do the punch line because its just outrageous and whatever context she pretends to refer to she is way way out of order.
As I understand it she was talking about offensive jokes and gave an example of a joke that had appeared in Guy's Hospital rag magazine of which she'd complained about only to be told that she was 'humourless' and that she was 'overreacting'.

She didn't just blurt out "did you hear the one about...."

BlackLabel

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13,251 posts

124 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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johnxjsc1985 said:
did I just hear that Harriet Harman told a joke about getting 100 Jewish people into a mini. I won't do the punch line because its just outrageous and whatever context she pretends to refer to she is way way out of order.
She was recounting someone else’s sick joke but it was still quite an inappropriate thing to say on live telly.

https://mobile.twitter.com/HowlandRobin/status/926...

Sway

26,297 posts

195 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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Oakey said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
did I just hear that Harriet Harman told a joke about getting 100 Jewish people into a mini. I won't do the punch line because its just outrageous and whatever context she pretends to refer to she is way way out of order.
As I understand it she was talking about offensive jokes and gave an example of a joke that had appeared in Guy's Hospital rag magazine of which she'd complained about only to be told that she was 'humourless' and that she was 'overreacting'.

She didn't just blurt out "did you hear the one about...."
She also preceded the "joke" with, and I quote, "people like Andrew will say this is perfectly alright", which is a clear accusation on live television that Andrew Neil holds opinions on support of "jokes" such as these - effectively that he is an anti-Semite.

ETA - amazed he showed such restraint. Knowing immediately the effect of such a claim, I'm amazed he didn't hold her over the fire live on air, before kicking her off the show and telling her to prepare her lawyers...

Edited by Sway on Friday 3rd November 16:45

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

165 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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Oakey said:
As I understand it she was talking about offensive jokes and gave an example of a joke that had appeared in Guy's Hospital rag magazine of which she'd complained about only to be told that she was 'humourless' and that she was 'overreacting'.

She didn't just blurt out "did you hear the one about...."
she more than suggested Neil would appreciate the "joke" there is no context or excuse for repeating such nonsense.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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Sway said:
Oakey said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
did I just hear that Harriet Harman told a joke about getting 100 Jewish people into a mini. I won't do the punch line because its just outrageous and whatever context she pretends to refer to she is way way out of order.
As I understand it she was talking about offensive jokes and gave an example of a joke that had appeared in Guy's Hospital rag magazine of which she'd complained about only to be told that she was 'humourless' and that she was 'overreacting'.

She didn't just blurt out "did you hear the one about...."
She also preceded the "joke" with, and I quote, "people like Andrew will say this is perfectly alright", which is a clear accusation on live television that Andrew Neil holds opinions on support of "jokes" such as these - effectively that he is an anti-Semite.

ETA - amazed he showed such restraint. Knowing immediately the effect of such a claim, I'm amazed he didn't hold her over the fire live on air, before kicking her off the show and telling her to prepare her lawyers...

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 3rd November 16:45

This. Neil has every right to bring a claim against her IMO. Unless she can prove that he thought the 'joke' was funny, and it's hard to see how she'd do that, then she clearly slandered him.

And there was no need at all for her to repeat the 'joke'. It was dumb and offensive of her to do so. No one else seems to feel the need to do so to make the point.

Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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Oakey said:
As I understand it she was talking about offensive jokes and gave an example of a joke that had appeared in Guy's Hospital rag magazine of which she'd complained about only to be told that she was 'humourless' and that she was 'overreacting'.

She didn't just blurt out "did you hear the one about...."
Exactly, to misinterpret it as anything but that is pretty insidious.

Sway

26,297 posts

195 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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Halb said:
Oakey said:
As I understand it she was talking about offensive jokes and gave an example of a joke that had appeared in Guy's Hospital rag magazine of which she'd complained about only to be told that she was 'humourless' and that she was 'overreacting'.

She didn't just blurt out "did you hear the one about...."
Exactly, to misinterpret it as anything but that is pretty insidious.
How would you interpret "which people like Andrew would say is perfectly alright"? I don't think it's a comprehension leap to state that this is a clear accusation relating to Andrew Neil's feelings about anti-Jewish jokes.

Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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Sway said:
Halb said:
Oakey said:
As I understand it she was talking about offensive jokes and gave an example of a joke that had appeared in Guy's Hospital rag magazine of which she'd complained about only to be told that she was 'humourless' and that she was 'overreacting'.

She didn't just blurt out "did you hear the one about...."
Exactly, to misinterpret it as anything but that is pretty insidious.
How would you interpret "which people like Andrew would say is perfectly alright"? I don't think it's a comprehension leap to state that this is a clear accusation relating to Andrew Neil's feelings about anti-Jewish jokes.
She was wrong to project onto Brillo and to assume so much, and she was correctly roasted for it.
The bit I am referring to is her showing what was once considered an acceptable level of joke to tell in some circles.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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Halb said:
Sway said:
Halb said:
Oakey said:
As I understand it she was talking about offensive jokes and gave an example of a joke that had appeared in Guy's Hospital rag magazine of which she'd complained about only to be told that she was 'humourless' and that she was 'overreacting'.

She didn't just blurt out "did you hear the one about...."
Exactly, to misinterpret it as anything but that is pretty insidious.
How would you interpret "which people like Andrew would say is perfectly alright"? I don't think it's a comprehension leap to state that this is a clear accusation relating to Andrew Neil's feelings about anti-Jewish jokes.
She was wrong to project onto Brillo and to assume so much, and she was correctly roasted for it.
The bit I am referring to is her showing what was once considered an acceptable level of joke to tell in some circles.
I disagree she is so much on her own level she didn't fail to appreciate that by repeating the joke she would be in st for it. She pushed a boundary and for whatever reason chose to insinuate stuff about the host.
She is being royally roasted for this and I think she has massively misjudged things



Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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techiedave said:
Halb said:
Sway said:
Halb said:
Oakey said:
As I understand it she was talking about offensive jokes and gave an example of a joke that had appeared in Guy's Hospital rag magazine of which she'd complained about only to be told that she was 'humourless' and that she was 'overreacting'.

She didn't just blurt out "did you hear the one about...."
Exactly, to misinterpret it as anything but that is pretty insidious.
How would you interpret "which people like Andrew would say is perfectly alright"? I don't think it's a comprehension leap to state that this is a clear accusation relating to Andrew Neil's feelings about anti-Jewish jokes.
She was wrong to project onto Brillo and to assume so much, and she was correctly roasted for it.
The bit I am referring to is her showing what was once considered an acceptable level of joke to tell in some circles.
I disagree she is so much on her own level she didn't fail to appreciate that by repeating the joke she would be in st for it. She pushed a boundary and for whatever reason chose to insinuate stuff about the host.
She is being royally roasted for this and I think she has massively misjudged things
Exactly, she didn't realise, that was my point, she thought by showing an example, it was OK, hence my original post saying to suggest otherwise was insidious.

Mojooo

12,741 posts

181 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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I'm not anti Jewish - doesn't mean I didn't find it funny. Its all about context.

Neil is hardly going to start cracking up on TV is he...

anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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Some jokes about ethnicities, religions, nationalities, genders and sexualities are funny, even though many are likely to be embarrassing or a little awkward.

I kinda think genocide should be off limits though.

What a silly thing to do, to insinuate some kind of acceptance of this kind of thing by A.N. I assume she meant that comment in terms of his favouring the right to free speech but she wasn't very clear about it.



Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 4th November 08:02

Biker 1

7,741 posts

120 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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anonymous said:
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yes The crux of it. Surely politicians can't be that downright stupid? What was she thinking?


anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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Biker 1 said:
anonymous said:
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yes The crux of it. Surely politicians can't be that downright stupid? What was she thinking?
She was thinking of her own "cleverness" and how it would be understood.
Reality is she isn't all that clever and has now put herself right in the firing line.

Jonesy23

4,650 posts

137 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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If she had any sense she'd have skipped the punchline; giving the first bit was enough for the example to work.

But she isn't that clever.

Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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I thought she was out of step for most of the show, and that lil bit, was her pièce de résistance of being a wally.
She got personal with Brillo. I hope she doesn't appear again.
THis Week needs a post politician, Portillo comes across as measured because he isn't in the thick of it anymore, I'd lke to see Widdercombe on TW, if she could take it.

Username888

505 posts

202 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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Ayahuasca said:
It is certainly a very strange thing. I don't mind people being pro/anti Israel, but being anti jew is just daft, and self-defeating.
No Islamaphobia please.

hairyben

8,516 posts

184 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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Can you buy into all the marxism/socialism rhetoric and not be, as a consquence, anti semitic though? From my basic understanding of both sides the jewish culture does place great emphasis on ideas that arent very compatible with above ideaologies.

Wiccan of Darkness

1,839 posts

84 months

Saturday 4th November 2017
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Harman is by far the most odious, wretched creature on the planet. It's the deviousness, slyness and her modus operandi

I didn't get the joke at first, (it was past midnight) but ministers have been sacked for less than that.

Quite rightly, she should be utterly roasted for that, and coming from me that's saying something. I'm not easy to offend at the best of times.

If she isn't hounded out by her own party, then it is a damning indictment of what the current labour party will tolerate; if the tories don't put her head on a pike then it shows how weak and feeble they really are.

She must go. I cannot work out how her odious views have been tolerated this far.