Anti-Semitism and the British Left.
Discussion
DonkeyApple said:
Countdown said:
As far as I can see his views are anti-Settler/anti-Zionist. Having googled a fair bit about him I can't see what he's said that's anti-Jewish per se.
That's been my impression of him. It does look like Zionists trying to stifle the debate by making out it is an Antisemitic issue. Funkycoldribena said:
otolith said:
Conspiracy theorists who get off on thinking they know better than everyone else. See also moon landing, flat earth, chemtrails, 9-11 loons, etc.
I can slightly and I mean slightly, get my head around most of those as conspiracy theories but flat earth? You only have to go in a plane.Or is it slightly curved flat earth?
Funkycoldribena said:
otolith said:
Conspiracy theorists who get off on thinking they know better than everyone else. See also moon landing, flat earth, chemtrails, 9-11 loons, etc.
I can slightly and I mean slightly, get my head around most of those as conspiracy theories but flat earth? You only have to go in a plane.Or is it slightly curved flat earth?
otolith said:
Couldn't he just send a gopro on a balloon or something?Funkycoldribena said:
otolith said:
Couldn't he just send a gopro on a balloon or something?otolith said:
Funkycoldribena said:
otolith said:
Couldn't he just send a gopro on a balloon or something?Lance Catamaran said:
Nice choice of words........
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/labour-friends-...
Really!
I’m not sure whether it’s more worrying that they were trolling, or were genuinely that f
king pig ignorant. 
Luther Blissett said:
Can someone point out the antisemitism in what he said? I've read it several times and I can't see it.
Quite. I read the article and thought the same.Never heard of this bloke, so I looked.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miko_Peled
Halb said:
Luther Blissett said:
Can someone point out the antisemitism in what he said? I've read it several times and I can't see it.
Quite. I read the article and thought the same.Never heard of this bloke, so I looked.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miko_Peled
There is an interesting quote from his page:
'Israel is faced with two options: Continue to exist as a Jewish state while controlling the Palestinians through military force and racist laws, or undertake a deep transformation into a real democracy where Israelis and Palestinians live as equals in a shared state, their shared homeland. For Israelis and Palestinians alike, the latter path promises a bright future'
To me, that seems a perfectly rational observation and I also believe that the vast majority of people do not favour subjugation of peoples and would consider the latter option the more favourable however difficult and complex a road it would be. And much more importantly, such a view is not anti-Zionist as the most extremist Zionists would scream and very obviously nor is it Antisemitic.
I also learned decades ago that there is an enormous difference between the political views of the Jewish community in London which is very liberal and free thinking to that of New York where they carry a self imposed belief of oppression, fear and hatred. I see few similarities between the two groups and found in New York it was very uncomfortable being around such right wing prejudices, anger and fear. And over the years I have not found this changing in New York. One group of refugees have integrated and moved forward and another group of identical people from identical backgrounds stay clinging to the horrors and tradgedies of the past and desire retribution. To me, it was one of the events that made me realise just how liberal and free London was and how it was a part of the world where extreme views didn't hold traction and a place where refugees from either side of a global event could live next door to each other without recent histories taking control of them. Whereas on the other hand, America was an environment that relished segregation and the fostering of fears.
I certainly defy anyone who has seen Palestine with their own eyes to ever stand up and state loud and clear that it is morally right for not just humans but any animal to be 'kept' that way. It isn't and Isreal, Palestine and the West do need to find a superior solution that will see the walls come down and the end of expansionist policies and the evolution of Isreal into a true country of Western values and ethics. That is not an anti Zionist view but a humanitarian one and one that recognises that the extremists at either end of the divide are, as per usual, not representative of the norm as they do wildly claim while they prey on the fears andnignorances of their victims, the people.
DonkeyApple said:
Countdown said:
As far as I can see his views are anti-Settler/anti-Zionist. Having googled a fair bit about him I can't see what he's said that's anti-Jewish per se.
That's been my impression of him. It does look like Zionists trying to stifle the debate by making out it is an Antisemitic issue. Did the ‘Zionists ‘ try to stifle anyone else at the event ? Or just him ?
Aside from the false Nazi analogy ,he has claimed Jews are thieves ,and referenced that Jews drink babies blood.
Edited by franki68 on Friday 29th September 08:50
DonkeyApple said:
I certainly defy anyone who has seen Palestine with their own eyes to ever stand up and state loud and clear that it is morally right for not just humans but any animal to be 'kept' that way.
An interesting post & if only it were that easy to resolve.... I have been on both sides of the divide & its sad to see. However, it takes two to tango.It seems people interpret 'Zionism' as they wish. An explanation here: http://www.zionism-israel.com/
Back to topic: the weirdest example of lefty protest I remember, was during the Lebanon war of 2006, when a group of women were chanting in front of the Israeli embassy: 'We are all Hezbollah'. Rather ironic, given what the 'Party of God' stands for & their views on women....
Biker 1 said:
An interesting post & if only it were that easy to resolve.... I have been on both sides of the divide & its sad to see. However, it takes two to tango.
Absolutely but we have faced and overcome greater challenges as humans. And it doesn't mean we should confine the brutality and oppressions of either side. DonkeyApple said:
Biker 1 said:
An interesting post & if only it were that easy to resolve.... I have been on both sides of the divide & its sad to see. However, it takes two to tango.
Absolutely but we have faced and overcome greater challenges as humans. And it doesn't mean we should confine the brutality and oppressions of either side. Alpinestars said:
You subjugate people, and eventually they react. Presumably that signals the start of the tango.
The PLO was formed in 1964, 3 years before the 6 day war - now the Palestinian authority. Their goal was, and for many still is, the complete annihilation of Israel, NOT a 2 state solution. Hence their rejection of Israeli offers over 90% of J&S and the whole of Gaza.Another example is George Galloway. He was kicked out by Blair for opposing the Iraq war. But, in 2014, he declared Bradford an “Israeli free zone”. Now, if I supported India, and was the MP for Bournemouth, if I declared Bournemouth a “Pakistani free zone”, what do you think the reaction would be? Hmmm?
This is the same guy who had the chutzpah to send solicitors’ letters to people who called him an antisemite. He doesn’t seem to have a problem with the holocaust denial cartoon competition held by his Iranian paymasters...
This is the same guy who had the chutzpah to send solicitors’ letters to people who called him an antisemite. He doesn’t seem to have a problem with the holocaust denial cartoon competition held by his Iranian paymasters...
Solocle said:
Alpinestars said:
You subjugate people, and eventually they react. Presumably that signals the start of the tango.
The PLO was formed in 1964, 3 years before the 6 day war - now the Palestinian authority. Their goal was, and for many still is, the complete annihilation of Israel, NOT a 2 state solution. Hence their rejection of Israeli offers over 90% of J&S and the whole of Gaza.Solocle said:
Another example is George Galloway. He was kicked out by Blair for opposing the Iraq war. But, in 2014, he declared Bradford an “Israeli free zone”. Now, if I supported India, and was the MP for Bournemouth, if I declared Bournemouth a “Pakistani free zone”, what do you think the reaction would be? Hmmm?
This is the same guy who had the chutzpah to send solicitors’ letters to people who called him an antisemite. He doesn’t seem to have a problem with the holocaust denial cartoon competition held by his Iranian paymasters...
Anti Israeli or anti Jewish? One is totally unacceptable, the other is a political statement. This is the crux of being opposed to Israel but not being an anti Semite. This is the same guy who had the chutzpah to send solicitors’ letters to people who called him an antisemite. He doesn’t seem to have a problem with the holocaust denial cartoon competition held by his Iranian paymasters...
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