Bombardier - A sign of things to come?

Bombardier - A sign of things to come?

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Casa1862

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1,072 posts

165 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-4139...


Not seen a thread on this -

These trade deals not looking too easy, are we not "at the front of the queue" with the US????

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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I think it should more a US vs Canada spat. With US saying bombardiers are being subsided which is a cheek coming from Boeing and Canada threatening to cancel F-18 super hornet orders in retaliation.

Uk is just the collateral damage but Boeing and bombardier parts are made in the UK so it’s not all bad.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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What's going on with the pronunciation of Bombardier? I'm clearly wrong, but...

I always thought it was bom-ba-deer, but everyone on the news is all like bomb-bar-dee-yay. Am I right when it comes to the beer but wrong for the aerospace company?

Bill

52,758 posts

255 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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hornetrider said:
What's going on with the pronunciation of Bombardier? I'm clearly wrong, but...

I always thought it was bom-ba-deer, but everyone on the news is all like bomb-bar-dee-yay. Am I right when it comes to the beer but wrong for the aerospace company?
Presumably from the French speaking part of Canada.

Shakermaker

11,317 posts

100 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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hornetrider said:
What's going on with the pronunciation of Bombardier? I'm clearly wrong, but...

I always thought it was bom-ba-deer, but everyone on the news is all like bomb-bar-dee-yay. Am I right when it comes to the beer but wrong for the aerospace company?
They are spelt the same, but pronounced differently.

Like Read and Read.

The aerospace company is based in Quebec, the French speaking part of Canada, and so it is right to use the French pronunciation.

The beer is made in England and so we use the English pronunciation, named for the military rank.

Eric Mc

122,031 posts

265 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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Bombardier essentially hovered up all that was left of Canada's indigenous aircraft manufacturing - what used to be the separate companies of Canadair, De Havilland Canada and Avro Canada.

This row is a bit ironic because at one point De Havilland Canada was owned by Boeing.

It all seems a bit of a made up fight too as the Bombardier C Series of airliners are not directly competing with any of Boeing's products in that the Canadian design is smaller.

4x4Tyke

6,506 posts

132 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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We need to retaliate with 200% import tariff on Boeing jets, they have a lot more to lose.



4x4Tyke

6,506 posts

132 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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It also proves the Trumps promises of a very special trade deal is BS.

Atomic12C

5,180 posts

217 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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4x4Tyke said:
It also proves the Trumps promises of a very special trade deal is BS.
I didn't realise we had left the EU to form our own trade deal with the US just yet? wink

Shakermaker

11,317 posts

100 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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4x4Tyke said:
We need to retaliate with 200% import tariff on Boeing jets, they have a lot more to lose.
Something that Michael Fallon has mentioned might be the case - Boeing's contracts with the MoD might be at risk if this Bombardier matter doesn't get resolved

barryrs

4,389 posts

223 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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Atomic12C said:
I didn't realise we had left the EU to form our own trade deal with the US just yet? wink
Its worse than that; it appears that by leaving the EU we are automatically becoming part of Canada!

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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Eric Mc said:
Bombardier essentially hovered up all that was left of Canada's indigenous aircraft manufacturing - what used to be the separate companies of Canadair, De Havilland Canada and Avro Canada.

This row is a bit ironic because at one point De Havilland Canada was owned by Boeing.

It all seems a bit of a made up fight too as the Bombardier C Series of airliners are not directly competing with any of Boeing's products in that the Canadian design is smaller.
CS300 is a B737-300 competitor (and a 737 max 7) with launch custom air Baltic doing just that.


Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 27th September 16:32

MellowshipSlinky

14,696 posts

189 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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Seems quite a few of the smaller airlines are coming out in the Bombardier corner.

Boeing pulled out of this sector over 10 years ago, so there's no cross over of products.
They're just being petulant and I hope Trudeau really does shove their fighter jets back up their arse.

MellowshipSlinky

14,696 posts

189 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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El stovey said:
CS300 is a B737-300 competitor with launch custom air Baltic doing just that.

This particular spat is about the CS100 though.

Wobbegong

15,077 posts

169 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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barryrs said:
Atomic12C said:
I didn't realise we had left the EU to form our own trade deal with the US just yet? wink
Its worse than that; it appears that by leaving the EU we are automatically becoming part of Canada!
If that included freedom of movement I wouldn't complain biggrin

turbobloke

103,954 posts

260 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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Atomic12C said:
I didn't realise we had left the EU to form our own trade deal with the US just yet? wink
hehe

Negotiations must have reached a rapid conclusion when we weren't looking.

silly

It's a sign of things to come for the EU, thank goodness we're leaving.

5 Jun 2017 - The prospect of a revived EU-US trade deal is in “deep freeze”, according to Brussels sources, undermining reports that the EU has been inching ahead of the UK in the race for an arrangement with Washington.

Eric Mc

122,031 posts

265 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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El stovey said:
Eric Mc said:
Bombardier essentially hovered up all that was left of Canada's indigenous aircraft manufacturing - what used to be the separate companies of Canadair, De Havilland Canada and Avro Canada.

This row is a bit ironic because at one point De Havilland Canada was owned by Boeing.

It all seems a bit of a made up fight too as the Bombardier C Series of airliners are not directly competing with any of Boeing's products in that the Canadian design is smaller.
CS300 is a B737-300 competitor (and a 737 max 7) with launch custom air Baltic doing just that.


Edited by El stovey on Wednesday 27th September 16:32
At a push, I would say. It's the biggest Bombardier design to date so I can see it beginning to encroach on what Boeing might have previously considered its territory. I think this is more a pre-emptive strike by Boeing just to try and spike Bombardier before they get a decent toe hold. Bombardier's financial position isn't that strong so they could be forced into insolvency by Boeing using its industrial might.

Whoever said capitalism was about competition?.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

279 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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Have to feel a bit sorry for the UK govt.

On the one hand it is propped up by the N Irish who will want to play hard ball with Boeing to protect NI jobs, on the other hand it doesn't want to upset the Americans when it wants a positive outcome to future trade talks.


turbobloke

103,954 posts

260 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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Eric Mc said:
Whoever said capitalism was about competition?.
Marx?

MellowshipSlinky

14,696 posts

189 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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If the ruling is upheld in February it would be disastrous for the company and its employees in NI (and as many more across the rest of the UK.

They don't seem to have anymore customers lined up for the CS100, and the contract with Delta would most probably have to be cancelled.

At least the Transportation side of the company are doing ok (for the moment)

Out govt need to be really strong on this.
But let's not forget the new Boeing plant being built in Sheffield....