Bombardier - A sign of things to come?

[Ali G]

Aye, but why would the EU go in to bat for Bombardier when Airbus is their product?

And how does this fit with regenerating a deprived part of the UK?

[Deptford Draylons]

Eddie Strohacker said:

I see my name has cropped up here

Selling Airliners is not like selling cardboard boxes (unsurprisingly) the timelines are in decades & the sums huge. No banks will invest on that basis, so if you want an airspace industry, you have to have Government investment, it's the only realistic way & all airliner manufacturers exist on state subsidies, including Boeing, although as I'm sure you all know, that's often dressed up in padded contracts from the military & so on, I believe the 747 was partly developed this way, cross subsidising military tech with civil projects, although I obvs defer to the many aviation experts here.

It's only really large economies that can have aerospace industries eg USA, Russia etc. but smaller countries can compete but only on a level playing field, which is why, given the sums & time involved, countries like the USA via Boeing cheerfully try to strangle companies like Bombardier at birth.

Although this is a US/Canada & Brazil thing, it's indicative of the travails a smaller economy faces against a much larger one. Being in the EU is heft, it can retaliate purely by dint of it's size. If a similar thing were to happen here, post Brexit, it would be like bringing a knife to a gun fight. That is literally the risk involved in Extreme Brexiteers advocating highly liberal free trade. International trade is a dirty business, which is why it needs rules to keep industries from being marmalised by the big boys & a lot can happen in the typical decade long trade negotiations - hey it's just a bit of pain, we knew it would happen etc. etc.

Being in a union of 500 million people allows you to act collectively defending your turf, leveraging the expertise, but hey, we've got Boris, Liam & Theresa, we'll be fine.

You did well to take that earlier Twitter link and pad it out and present it as your own. It all went a bit Team America - As remainers its our responsibility to read the newspapers and then say what we read on televison as if its our own opinion.

[ou sont les biscuits]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Being in a union of 500 million people allows you to act collectively defending your turf, leveraging the expertise, but hey, we've got Boris, Liam & Theresa, we'll be fine.

You missed Dangerous Dave off the list.

[Eddie Strohacker]

Deptford Draylons said:

You did well to take that earlier Twitter link and pad it out and present it as your own. It all went a bit Team America - As remainers its our responsibility to read the newspapers and then say what we read on televison as if its our own opinion.

Ah well, at least you've stopped mentioning ///ajd & check votes. It's progress. Also, I take my views from many sources, please feel free to contribute to the subject at hand.

[anonymous-user]

Eddie Strohacker said:

jsf said:

I would appreciate if ///ajd would explain to me how our membership of the EU helps the Bombardier workers in this particular case.

I see my name has cropped up here

You are ///ajd and Eddie Strohacker?

[Eddie Strohacker]

jsf said:

You are ///ajd and Eddie Strohacker?

I anticipated that from all of the above, you would pick up on that one line but resisted the temptation to edit to the effect of specifying my other fanboi Turbojoke intervened earlier in the thread. HTH.

Twice today it's been suggested I'm someone else & it's not even tea time.

[Deptford Draylons]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Deptford Draylons said:

You did well to take that earlier Twitter link and pad it out and present it as your own. It all went a bit Team America - As remainers its our responsibility to read the newspapers and then say what we read on televison as if its our own opinion.

Ah well, at least you've stopped mentioning ///ajd & check votes. It's progress. Also, I take my views from many sources, please feel free to contribute to the subject at hand.

Given the name confusion, maybe not ?
I like ///ajd's check vote nonsense. Its a masterclass in bullst terms and PR speak .

[Eddie Strohacker]

Deptford Draylons said:

Given the name confusion, maybe not ?
I like ///ajd's check vote nonsense. Its a masterclass in bullst terms and PR speak .

Well. Ok. Good.

[Eddie Strohacker]

Ali G said:

Aye, but why would the EU go in to bat for Bombardier when Airbus is their product?

And how does this fit with regenerating a deprived part of the UK?

I don't believe I said they would? & the Bombarider plight is potentially heartbreaking for people in Belfast.

Rather I'm illustrating a very effective strategy for dealing with one sided trade disputes. one that we currently benefit from as EU members, but won't in 18 months or so.

[gadgetmac]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Ali G said:

Aye, but why would the EU go in to bat for Bombardier when Airbus is their product?

And how does this fit with regenerating a deprived part of the UK?

I don't believe I said they would? & the Bombarider plight is potentially heartbreaking for people in Belfast.

Rather I'm illustrating a very effective strategy for dealing with one sided trade disputes. one that we currently benefit from as EU members, but won't in 18 months or so.

I'm not actually hearing any arguments that what bith you and the US trade spokesman have said is incorrect in that "size matters" and outside of the EU we will be prone to these kind of scenarios. This may be merely the first of many of these issues where we're bullied into taking what we're given.

I'd like to hear from somebody why this isn't true.

[///ajd]

gadgetmac said:

I'm not actually hearing any arguments that what bith you and the US trade spokesman have said is incorrect in that "size matters" and outside of the EU we will be prone to these kind of scenarios. This may be merely the first of many of these issues where we're bullied into taking what we're given.

I'd like to hear from somebody why this isn't true.

You'll be waiting a long time, though you may pick up some insults for presenting a cogent argument


PS sorry about using the wrong login above, can get confusing all these remoan accounts

[Ali G]

gadgetmac said:

Eddie Strohacker said:

Ali G said:

Aye, but why would the EU go in to bat for Bombardier when Airbus is their product?

And how does this fit with regenerating a deprived part of the UK?

I don't believe I said they would? & the Bombarider plight is potentially heartbreaking for people in Belfast.

Rather I'm illustrating a very effective strategy for dealing with one sided trade disputes. one that we currently benefit from as EU members, but won't in 18 months or so.

I'm not actually hearing any arguments that what bith you and the US trade spokesman have said is incorrect in that "size matters" and outside of the EU we will be prone to these kind of scenarios. This may be merely the first of many of these issues where we're bullied into taking what we're given.

I'd like to hear from somebody why this isn't true.

OK - as the fifth largest economy in the world, there may be some potential for playing the EU against the US and China to secure best price on purchases - to be reciprocated.

Airbus or Boeing or perhaps Bombardier ponder, ponder. What's the deal?

[PRTVR]

Ali G said:

gadgetmac said:

Eddie Strohacker said:

Ali G said:

Aye, but why would the EU go in to bat for Bombardier when Airbus is their product?

And how does this fit with regenerating a deprived part of the UK?

I don't believe I said they would? & the Bombarider plight is potentially heartbreaking for people in Belfast.

Rather I'm illustrating a very effective strategy for dealing with one sided trade disputes. one that we currently benefit from as EU members, but won't in 18 months or so.

I'm not actually hearing any arguments that what bith you and the US trade spokesman have said is incorrect in that "size matters" and outside of the EU we will be prone to these kind of scenarios. This may be merely the first of many of these issues where we're bullied into taking what we're given.

I'd like to hear from somebody why this isn't true.

OK - as the fifth largest economy in the world, there may be some potential for playing the EU against the US and China to secure best price on purchases - to be reciprocated.

Airbus or Boeing or perhaps Bombardier ponder, ponder. What's the deal?

Along with in the case of Bombardier it is the 5th and the 10th largest economy in the world who they are dealing with, numbers matter not, buying power is the key.

[gadgetmac]

Ali G said:

gadgetmac said:

Eddie Strohacker said:

Ali G said:

Aye, but why would the EU go in to bat for Bombardier when Airbus is their product?

And how does this fit with regenerating a deprived part of the UK?

I don't believe I said they would? & the Bombarider plight is potentially heartbreaking for people in Belfast.

Rather I'm illustrating a very effective strategy for dealing with one sided trade disputes. one that we currently benefit from as EU members, but won't in 18 months or so.

I'm not actually hearing any arguments that what bith you and the US trade spokesman have said is incorrect in that "size matters" and outside of the EU we will be prone to these kind of scenarios. This may be merely the first of many of these issues where we're bullied into taking what we're given.

I'd like to hear from somebody why this isn't true.

OK - as the fifth largest economy in the world, there may be some potential for playing the EU against the US and China to secure best price on purchases - to be reciprocated.

Airbus or Boeing or perhaps Bombardier ponder, ponder. What's the deal?

But we're small fry and should we decide to not to buy from Boeing in retaliation for the US adding trade tariffs to our products the impact will be much much lighter on them than us. Almost neglible by comparison in fact.

[Ali G]

Yup - we're all doomed upon Brexit since that nice Mr Juncker would have personally underwritten Belfast jobs from UK EU contributions and would be pounding upon the doors of Boeing to make it so had he not had a prior engagement with a bottle.

[turbobloke]

Juncker

[gadgetmac]

Ali G said:

Yup - we're all doomed upon Brexit since that nice Mr Juncker would have personally underwritten Belfast jobs from UK EU contributions and would be pounding upon the doors of Boeing to make it so had he not had a prior engagement with a bottle.

So no answer then. Cool

[Ali G]

gadgetmac said:

Ali G said:

Yup - we're all doomed upon Brexit since that nice Mr Juncker would have personally underwritten Belfast jobs from UK EU contributions and would be pounding upon the doors of Boeing to make it so had he not had a prior engagement with a bottle.

So no answer then. Cool

What was the question?

[gadgetmac]

Ali G said:

gadgetmac said:

Ali G said:

Yup - we're all doomed upon Brexit since that nice Mr Juncker would have personally underwritten Belfast jobs from UK EU contributions and would be pounding upon the doors of Boeing to make it so had he not had a prior engagement with a bottle.

So no answer then. Cool

What was the question?

It was, Are you able to forget what the question is whilst simultaneously posting a bouncing smiley?

[Ali G]

gadgetmac said:

Ali G said:

gadgetmac said:

Ali G said:

Yup - we're all doomed upon Brexit since that nice Mr Juncker would have personally underwritten Belfast jobs from UK EU contributions and would be pounding upon the doors of Boeing to make it so had he not had a prior engagement with a bottle.

So no answer then. Cool

What was the question?

It was, Are you able to forget what the question is whilst simultaneously posting a bouncing smiley?

Sentence please!


And yes, the answer is NO