More money to find missing girl
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LoonyTunes said:
For those thinking that the McCann's likely had something to do with her disappearance here are the 9 conspiracy theories the Internet/Social Media are discussing. You'll certainly see yourself in there somewhere.
https://thetab.com/uk/2019/03/19/madeleine-mccann-...
I particularly like the 'She Never Existed In The First Place' theory
Nice link. Thanks.https://thetab.com/uk/2019/03/19/madeleine-mccann-...
I particularly like the 'She Never Existed In The First Place' theory
JagLover said:
LoonyTunes said:
What theory is that then? I can't remember putting one forward 
I'll go with what the professionals from Scotland Yard and Portugal are doing - the ones who've been on the case for 12 years and with the training, expertise and experience - which is looking for a third party for the crime.
I'll leave you to dream up the more elaborate and fanciful scenarios.
Professionals like the former head of the investigation, who released a book saying the McCanns did it after retiring?I'll go with what the professionals from Scotland Yard and Portugal are doing - the ones who've been on the case for 12 years and with the training, expertise and experience - which is looking for a third party for the crime.
I'll leave you to dream up the more elaborate and fanciful scenarios.
You are pushing an unproved conspiracy theory, just like the rest of us. Your conspiracy theory is that Madelaine was abducted.
Ones other people hold aren't.
LoonyTunes said:
Why do you think the police from 2 countries don't think that their silence is damning
My understanding was that the PJ very much thought the parents had a case to answer or certainly explain all the odd stuff, they made them suspects, parents fled the country and never went back. PJ got bored and shelved the case but the working theory at the time was something bad happened with the kids unintentionally and the parents have some explaining to do.The UK police, as explained by the very respected Sutton have never been interested in solving the case as a whole. They have just been told to find an abductor and not have anything to do with the parents. Something that so far has cost £12m, many years and gotten nowhere.
Not sure why you respect the opinion of the forces so much to belittle everyone else.
The force who won’t investigate the whole case, won’t even question the parents, maybe they could spark off a new line of enquiry? The police who were ignoring then flatly refused the free help of a respected world leading scientist and his technology that has been successfully used in similar situations to provide more evidence / clarify the evidence they have.
La Liga said:
he difference is his theory is the one being pursued and 'backed' by those who have all the experience and expertise (the Met).
Ones other people hold aren't.
But according to the recent podcast the detective who was supposed to lead operation grange pulled out once he learned he couldn't look into the McCanns or the tapas 7. I presume he had experience and expertise so why would he want to have a look into their stories then?Ones other people hold aren't.
How many other large investigations are run where you are only allowed to investigate some things? Sounds like a government inquiry which is hamstrung at the start to lead it exactly where it wants it to go. Is Sir Humphrey running things over at the Met?
Why aren't the DNA samples being given to the company offering to rerun them with modern technology able to split out the samples? On the surface it appears the Met don't actually want to solve the case at all.
cb31 said:
La Liga said:
he difference is his theory is the one being pursued and 'backed' by those who have all the experience and expertise (the Met).
Ones other people hold aren't.
But according to the recent podcast the detective who was supposed to lead operation grange pulled out once he learned he couldn't look into the McCanns or the tapas 7. I presume he had experience and expertise so why would he want to have a look into their stories then?Ones other people hold aren't.
How many other large investigations are run where you are only allowed to investigate some things? Sounds like a government inquiry which is hamstrung at the start to lead it exactly where it wants it to go. Is Sir Humphrey running things over at the Met?
What I'd say is the Met are hardly averse to upsetting 'the establishment' and follow the lines of inquiry they're presented with.
Secondly, the police are a disciplined organisation consisting of rank structure. You don't get to pick and choose what you work on and 'pull out' if you don't like something.
cb31 said:
Why aren't the DNA samples being given to the company offering to rerun them with modern technology able to split out the samples? On the surface it appears the Met don't actually want to solve the case at all.
No idea unless someone from the investigation were to answer that. Perhaps someone could FOI it.
We all know there is a load of iffy stuff to do with this case and because of that theories will run wild. I expect a lot of the conspiracy theories could be shut down if the parents could provide honest answers to some of the goings on. Things like....
Kate announcing the problem with “they’ve taken her” this implies you know the culprit.
For people who are seemingly so calm and collected who don’t panic, sit down and write multiple timelines, know to alert foreign media and government but not sharp enough not to leave their remaining children unattended.
Why the lying about the break in? And confusion over doors.
Why the massaged phone records?
Why the conflicting statements from them and other members of their group eg there is footage of Jane describing a situation being very sure of herself and Gerry sternly “correcting” her.
The possibility of the twins being drugged but refusing hospital treatment or testing for months.
Provide a story for why the UK police dogs may alert to trauma / death where they do rather than just saying dogs are crap.
That’s just the stuff off the top of my head. A load more if I refreshed myself on the PJ files.
Kate announcing the problem with “they’ve taken her” this implies you know the culprit.
For people who are seemingly so calm and collected who don’t panic, sit down and write multiple timelines, know to alert foreign media and government but not sharp enough not to leave their remaining children unattended.
Why the lying about the break in? And confusion over doors.
Why the massaged phone records?
Why the conflicting statements from them and other members of their group eg there is footage of Jane describing a situation being very sure of herself and Gerry sternly “correcting” her.
The possibility of the twins being drugged but refusing hospital treatment or testing for months.
Provide a story for why the UK police dogs may alert to trauma / death where they do rather than just saying dogs are crap.
That’s just the stuff off the top of my head. A load more if I refreshed myself on the PJ files.
cb31 said:
But according to the recent podcast the detective who was supposed to lead operation grange pulled out once he learned he couldn't look into the McCanns or the tapas 7. I presume he had experience and expertise so why would he want to have a look into their stories then?
Just a point of order here but Sutton said he was never supposed to lead the investigation - this was a bogus report by the NOTW and that the Met never asked him to lead Grange. Byker28i said:
anonymous said:
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Ben Needham? £1m https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/ben-nee...Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 11th June 15:59
cb31 said:
But according to the recent podcast the detective who was supposed to lead operation grange pulled out once he learned he couldn't look into the McCanns or the tapas 7. I presume he had experience and expertise so why would he want to have a look into their stories then?
How many other large investigations are run where you are only allowed to investigate some things? Sounds like a government inquiry which is hamstrung at the start to lead it exactly where it wants it to go
How many other large investigations are run where you are only allowed to investigate some things? Sounds like a government inquiry which is hamstrung at the start to lead it exactly where it wants it to go
Colin Sutton said:
However, before this, just a few days after the NotW story I did receive a call from a senior officer in the Met whom I knew quite well. This officer told me I would do better to avoid the McCann investigation if it did happen, because "You wouldn't be happy leading an investigation where you were told what you could look at and what you could not".
That is the totality of the advice I received. It was made clear that this was an ‘unofficial’ call and that it was made in my interest – so that I might not end up taking on a task which would ultimately frustrate me. As such I never pressed the caller for more information, nor will I ever be in a position to disclose who the officer was[/i]
http://colinsutton.blogspot.com/2017/05/madeleine-...
That is the totality of the advice I received. It was made clear that this was an ‘unofficial’ call and that it was made in my interest – so that I might not end up taking on a task which would ultimately frustrate me. As such I never pressed the caller for more information, nor will I ever be in a position to disclose who the officer was[/i]
http://colinsutton.blogspot.com/2017/05/madeleine-...
LoonyTunes said:
I'd agree with most of your post but not this part;
Lets face facts. For all the money, resources, 12 years of investigations they are none the wiser than any of us. As for random opinions on internets, well the only one we all believe and has been proven is that no one went into that villa apart from the Tapas 12.Legend83 said:
To my mind therefore one persons theory carries no more or less weight than someone else's regardless of how out there it may seem.
The opinions of the Investigators with the expertise, experience and in-depth knowledge of the case should be given far more credence than those of the (as you put it ) "Internet Sleuths". It's why they are called experts and asked for their opinions in court and in other places that matter. The sleuths don't get the phone call when that is needed.LoonyTunes said:
JagLover said:
LoonyTunes said:
What theory is that then? I can't remember putting one forward
I'll go with what the professionals from Scotland Yard and Portugal are doing - the ones who've been on the case for 12 years and with the training, expertise and experience - which is looking for a third party for the crime.
I'll leave you to dream up the more elaborate and fanciful scenarios.
Professionals like the former head of the investigation, who released a book saying the McCanns did it after retiring?I'll go with what the professionals from Scotland Yard and Portugal are doing - the ones who've been on the case for 12 years and with the training, expertise and experience - which is looking for a third party for the crime.
I'll leave you to dream up the more elaborate and fanciful scenarios.
You are pushing an unproved conspiracy theory, just like the rest of us. Your conspiracy theory is that Madelaine was abducted.
As for the book by the discredited Amaral who was removed from the investigation - again there is no evidence in it that anybody since has given any credence to - but lots of conspiracy theorists will have bought it $$$
"Amaral has earned €342,111 since the publication of his book in 2009, according to documents filed at the ECHR. He made a further €40,000 from the sale of his DVD.
Demand for the book has seen it translated into multiple languages and over 180,000 copies have been put to print.
It is believed he is planning to release a follow-up."
It's sold almost as many copies as books about the Loch Ness Monster.
Nice little earner for a retired Policeman.
Things are very simple, they were never made official suspects, despite the need and significant leads pointing at them, so they were never investigated and the girl never appeared. They can ask as much publicity and funds as they want, because the body of evidence that could prove their guilt is long gone and what stands can very easily be dismissed.
Amaral tried to do his job, his fair reasoning and deligence didn't seat well with all the comotion and PR, so he was binned and the investigation was just a thing out of amateur hour, specially after UK investigators came into play, just a mess.
Amaral tried to do his job, his fair reasoning and deligence didn't seat well with all the comotion and PR, so he was binned and the investigation was just a thing out of amateur hour, specially after UK investigators came into play, just a mess.
Here we go again.
“Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann during a family holiday in Portugal are said to be getting closer to solving the mystery”
Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/22/madeleine-mccann-de...
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“Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann during a family holiday in Portugal are said to be getting closer to solving the mystery”
Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/22/madeleine-mccann-de...
Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/
This must be difficult for any new suspects that come up now.
If someone asked me to prove where I was up to about a year ago I could have a pretty good stab at it, might be something on Facebook etc, still have a receipt, diary, etc
Unless you managed to pic a date where I was on holiday then no way I can prove I wasn’t in the area at the time, all records and need to keep them long gone after 12 years.
I work in an industry pretty hot on preserving original data and we only have to keep stuff for 6 years!
If someone asked me to prove where I was up to about a year ago I could have a pretty good stab at it, might be something on Facebook etc, still have a receipt, diary, etc
Unless you managed to pic a date where I was on holiday then no way I can prove I wasn’t in the area at the time, all records and need to keep them long gone after 12 years.
I work in an industry pretty hot on preserving original data and we only have to keep stuff for 6 years!
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