More money to find missing girl
Discussion
RB Will said:
Agammemnon said:
RB Will said:
The Scotland Yard investigation has seemingly been to investigate an abduction and not investigate a missing girl.
Why is their investigation restricted in this way & on whose instruction?https://youtu.be/RF7fR0J5HOw
That interview about warning Sutton off reminds me of Clive Driscoll who secured the two convictions for the murder of Stephen Lawrence and of the Carl Beech news yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXC6pVx_T-I
It makes no sense to me that paedophiles only exist in some, but not all, socio economic groups. It seems Driscoll wasn't allowed to investigate sex offences against children.
At the last trial for the killers of Stephen Lawrence the judge told Driscoll to go after the other suspects, but Driscoll states in his book there was no appetite within the Met to go after the others.
The back cover of the dust jacket for Clive Driscoll's book In Pursuit of the Truth shows a torch shining on a darkened wall above some text that includes something like 'We're the police, we investigate leads that's what we do, we nail the bad guys regardless of their race or religion'. So Sutton being warned off the McCann investigation as he'd not be able to investigate all avenues would seem to conflict with that.
I think the 2018 TV documentary on the Stephen Lawrence murder included Clive Driscoll saying he visited the scene of the stabbing to look at where it happened and compare that with the statements made at the time. Would Colin Sutton have been able to do that if certain lines of investigation he wanted to follow were out of bounds?
Proponents of mass surveillance say 'If you've done nothing wrong, you've nothing to hide'.
I didn't know that Colin Sutton had done a book on Levi Bellfield.
Edited by carinaman on Tuesday 23 July 21:29
Interesting find of some new, to me anyway possible info.
Whilst rooting around YouTube Finding the clip I previously posted, I came upon a TV interview with a Dr Graham Hill. A criminologist who was sent out to Portugal by the Met.
Dr Hill states straight off in this interview that the McCanns went on holiday to Portugal with 16 friends + children.
So should the Tapas 9 be the Tapas 18? Could these mystery other friends explain Kate shouting “They’ve taken her” like she knew who did?
Or did Dr Hill just mess up his numbers terribly in the interview?
Whilst rooting around YouTube Finding the clip I previously posted, I came upon a TV interview with a Dr Graham Hill. A criminologist who was sent out to Portugal by the Met.
Dr Hill states straight off in this interview that the McCanns went on holiday to Portugal with 16 friends + children.
So should the Tapas 9 be the Tapas 18? Could these mystery other friends explain Kate shouting “They’ve taken her” like she knew who did?
Or did Dr Hill just mess up his numbers terribly in the interview?
kippax said:
The parents leave all children alone in the apartment, going as far as leaving the patio door open and accessible to anyone. Why?
After realising that Madeleine is gone, Mrs. McCann runs back to the restaurant to notify her husband and friends, leaving the two other kids behind. Why would she do that if she just ran across an obviously dangerous situation?
These two points are enough to suspect the following:
Madeleine was not in the bedroom that night because she has died already. The parents deem the area very safe - as does everybody else - which is why the parents leave the patio door open and she comes back to the restaurant after “finding out Madeleine is gone”.
The official explaination as to why the left the patio door open is that the childrens’ bedroom was located near the front door, so the parents entering from the front door would wake them up. I’m so sorry, but this is the most lame excuse I have heard for leaving the door to the house open. It is entirely possible to enter through any front door without making much noise.
This suspicion is supported by following observations and heresay:
According to their own testimony, they checked on the kids every 30 minutes. Assuming they didn’t use a stopwatch it would be extremely difficult for abductors to estimate when they would come back again. The abduction must have been planned in advance, though the abductor could not have been sure that the patio door would be open.
Inconsistencies in the McCanns’ testimony: one time they used the (locked) front door, one time the patio door.
Madeleine’s DNA was found in the boot of the rental car of the McCanns, which they rented after the incident. This fact was disregarded by British press.
The Smith Sighting: an Irish couple was confirmed to have seen a man carrying a 3–4 years old girl with blond hair near the beach at Rua da Escola Primaria. at around 10pm. Electronic Facial Identifcation Technique was used from the Smiths’ descriptions and the result was very similar to Mr. McCann’s face.
Now comes my opinion after decent research:
Madeleine had died from an overdose of sedative pills earlier that day. This is already a popular opinion, but I will tell you exactly how they planned it.
The parents - possibly in shock - wanted to get rid of the body and planned the abduction theory. For it to be credible, they had to let some of their friends go to their apartment to check on the kids.
They invented the BS about the bedroom door position (they left is nearly closed but found it wide opened) to breed suspicion.
Mr Oldfield who went to check on the kids at around 21:30 (but eventually didn’t) would have seen three kids sleeping in their beds, with the exception that Madeleine was already dead.
Mrs. McCann notifies the group of the disappearance.
She stays at the restaurant to distract the group and prevent them from going to the apartment with them.
Mr McCann orders on the of the friends to call the police.
Mr McCann makes his way to the apartment via Rua Primeiro de Maio and turning left on the narrow path leading to the front doors of the apartments - the most direct way!
He quickly take the dead child from the bed and disappears from the patio door onto Rua Dr. Agostinho da Silva and then to Rua da Escola Primaria, down to Rua 25 de Abril, which is where he is seen by the Irish.
Since it is quite late he finds a hidden spot at the beach (possibly war behind, near bushes and trees) to provisionally bury Madeleine.
The removal of the corpse from the beach is done several days later, possibly deep in the night. Madeleine is then brought to an unknown place and her remains hidden.
Yes, Madeleine’s parents most definitely were responsible for her death.
This is a far more plausible scenario than abduction by a stranger, especially given the way the parents behaved in the immediate aftermath. Who leaves two other children unattended when you think one has been abducted? What parent when finding a child missing from their bed assumes someone has taken them! - most parents would initially assume that they got up and wandered off. What kind of parent goes to bed for a sleep four hours after their 3 year old goes missing. The details of their strange behaviour has been done to death but there is absolutely NO evidence pointing towards an abduction other than lies told by the McCanns like forced windows, “they’ve taken her” etc, and loads of circumstantial evidence that raises questions about the McCanns. After realising that Madeleine is gone, Mrs. McCann runs back to the restaurant to notify her husband and friends, leaving the two other kids behind. Why would she do that if she just ran across an obviously dangerous situation?
These two points are enough to suspect the following:
Madeleine was not in the bedroom that night because she has died already. The parents deem the area very safe - as does everybody else - which is why the parents leave the patio door open and she comes back to the restaurant after “finding out Madeleine is gone”.
The official explaination as to why the left the patio door open is that the childrens’ bedroom was located near the front door, so the parents entering from the front door would wake them up. I’m so sorry, but this is the most lame excuse I have heard for leaving the door to the house open. It is entirely possible to enter through any front door without making much noise.
This suspicion is supported by following observations and heresay:
According to their own testimony, they checked on the kids every 30 minutes. Assuming they didn’t use a stopwatch it would be extremely difficult for abductors to estimate when they would come back again. The abduction must have been planned in advance, though the abductor could not have been sure that the patio door would be open.
Inconsistencies in the McCanns’ testimony: one time they used the (locked) front door, one time the patio door.
Madeleine’s DNA was found in the boot of the rental car of the McCanns, which they rented after the incident. This fact was disregarded by British press.
The Smith Sighting: an Irish couple was confirmed to have seen a man carrying a 3–4 years old girl with blond hair near the beach at Rua da Escola Primaria. at around 10pm. Electronic Facial Identifcation Technique was used from the Smiths’ descriptions and the result was very similar to Mr. McCann’s face.
Now comes my opinion after decent research:
Madeleine had died from an overdose of sedative pills earlier that day. This is already a popular opinion, but I will tell you exactly how they planned it.
The parents - possibly in shock - wanted to get rid of the body and planned the abduction theory. For it to be credible, they had to let some of their friends go to their apartment to check on the kids.
They invented the BS about the bedroom door position (they left is nearly closed but found it wide opened) to breed suspicion.
Mr Oldfield who went to check on the kids at around 21:30 (but eventually didn’t) would have seen three kids sleeping in their beds, with the exception that Madeleine was already dead.
Mrs. McCann notifies the group of the disappearance.
She stays at the restaurant to distract the group and prevent them from going to the apartment with them.
Mr McCann orders on the of the friends to call the police.
Mr McCann makes his way to the apartment via Rua Primeiro de Maio and turning left on the narrow path leading to the front doors of the apartments - the most direct way!
He quickly take the dead child from the bed and disappears from the patio door onto Rua Dr. Agostinho da Silva and then to Rua da Escola Primaria, down to Rua 25 de Abril, which is where he is seen by the Irish.
Since it is quite late he finds a hidden spot at the beach (possibly war behind, near bushes and trees) to provisionally bury Madeleine.
The removal of the corpse from the beach is done several days later, possibly deep in the night. Madeleine is then brought to an unknown place and her remains hidden.
Yes, Madeleine’s parents most definitely were responsible for her death.
4Q said:
kippax said:
The parents leave all children alone in the apartment, going as far as leaving the patio door open and accessible to anyone. Why?
After realising that Madeleine is gone, Mrs. McCann runs back to the restaurant to notify her husband and friends, leaving the two other kids behind. Why would she do that if she just ran across an obviously dangerous situation?
These two points are enough to suspect the following:
Madeleine was not in the bedroom that night because she has died already. The parents deem the area very safe - as does everybody else - which is why the parents leave the patio door open and she comes back to the restaurant after “finding out Madeleine is gone”.
The official explaination as to why the left the patio door open is that the childrens’ bedroom was located near the front door, so the parents entering from the front door would wake them up. I’m so sorry, but this is the most lame excuse I have heard for leaving the door to the house open. It is entirely possible to enter through any front door without making much noise.
This suspicion is supported by following observations and heresay:
According to their own testimony, they checked on the kids every 30 minutes. Assuming they didn’t use a stopwatch it would be extremely difficult for abductors to estimate when they would come back again. The abduction must have been planned in advance, though the abductor could not have been sure that the patio door would be open.
Inconsistencies in the McCanns’ testimony: one time they used the (locked) front door, one time the patio door.
Madeleine’s DNA was found in the boot of the rental car of the McCanns, which they rented after the incident. This fact was disregarded by British press.
The Smith Sighting: an Irish couple was confirmed to have seen a man carrying a 3–4 years old girl with blond hair near the beach at Rua da Escola Primaria. at around 10pm. Electronic Facial Identifcation Technique was used from the Smiths’ descriptions and the result was very similar to Mr. McCann’s face.
Now comes my opinion after decent research:
Madeleine had died from an overdose of sedative pills earlier that day. This is already a popular opinion, but I will tell you exactly how they planned it.
The parents - possibly in shock - wanted to get rid of the body and planned the abduction theory. For it to be credible, they had to let some of their friends go to their apartment to check on the kids.
They invented the BS about the bedroom door position (they left is nearly closed but found it wide opened) to breed suspicion.
Mr Oldfield who went to check on the kids at around 21:30 (but eventually didn’t) would have seen three kids sleeping in their beds, with the exception that Madeleine was already dead.
Mrs. McCann notifies the group of the disappearance.
She stays at the restaurant to distract the group and prevent them from going to the apartment with them.
Mr McCann orders on the of the friends to call the police.
Mr McCann makes his way to the apartment via Rua Primeiro de Maio and turning left on the narrow path leading to the front doors of the apartments - the most direct way!
He quickly take the dead child from the bed and disappears from the patio door onto Rua Dr. Agostinho da Silva and then to Rua da Escola Primaria, down to Rua 25 de Abril, which is where he is seen by the Irish.
Since it is quite late he finds a hidden spot at the beach (possibly war behind, near bushes and trees) to provisionally bury Madeleine.
The removal of the corpse from the beach is done several days later, possibly deep in the night. Madeleine is then brought to an unknown place and her remains hidden.
Yes, Madeleine’s parents most definitely were responsible for her death.
This is a far more plausible scenario than abduction by a stranger, especially given the way the parents behaved in the immediate aftermath. Who leaves two other children unattended when you think one has been abducted? What parent when finding a child missing from their bed assumes someone has taken them! - most parents would initially assume that they got up and wandered off. What kind of parent goes to bed for a sleep four hours after their 3 year old goes missing. The details of their strange behaviour has been done to death but there is absolutely NO evidence pointing towards an abduction other than lies told by the McCanns like forced windows, “they’ve taken her” etc, and loads of circumstantial evidence that raises questions about the McCanns. After realising that Madeleine is gone, Mrs. McCann runs back to the restaurant to notify her husband and friends, leaving the two other kids behind. Why would she do that if she just ran across an obviously dangerous situation?
These two points are enough to suspect the following:
Madeleine was not in the bedroom that night because she has died already. The parents deem the area very safe - as does everybody else - which is why the parents leave the patio door open and she comes back to the restaurant after “finding out Madeleine is gone”.
The official explaination as to why the left the patio door open is that the childrens’ bedroom was located near the front door, so the parents entering from the front door would wake them up. I’m so sorry, but this is the most lame excuse I have heard for leaving the door to the house open. It is entirely possible to enter through any front door without making much noise.
This suspicion is supported by following observations and heresay:
According to their own testimony, they checked on the kids every 30 minutes. Assuming they didn’t use a stopwatch it would be extremely difficult for abductors to estimate when they would come back again. The abduction must have been planned in advance, though the abductor could not have been sure that the patio door would be open.
Inconsistencies in the McCanns’ testimony: one time they used the (locked) front door, one time the patio door.
Madeleine’s DNA was found in the boot of the rental car of the McCanns, which they rented after the incident. This fact was disregarded by British press.
The Smith Sighting: an Irish couple was confirmed to have seen a man carrying a 3–4 years old girl with blond hair near the beach at Rua da Escola Primaria. at around 10pm. Electronic Facial Identifcation Technique was used from the Smiths’ descriptions and the result was very similar to Mr. McCann’s face.
Now comes my opinion after decent research:
Madeleine had died from an overdose of sedative pills earlier that day. This is already a popular opinion, but I will tell you exactly how they planned it.
The parents - possibly in shock - wanted to get rid of the body and planned the abduction theory. For it to be credible, they had to let some of their friends go to their apartment to check on the kids.
They invented the BS about the bedroom door position (they left is nearly closed but found it wide opened) to breed suspicion.
Mr Oldfield who went to check on the kids at around 21:30 (but eventually didn’t) would have seen three kids sleeping in their beds, with the exception that Madeleine was already dead.
Mrs. McCann notifies the group of the disappearance.
She stays at the restaurant to distract the group and prevent them from going to the apartment with them.
Mr McCann orders on the of the friends to call the police.
Mr McCann makes his way to the apartment via Rua Primeiro de Maio and turning left on the narrow path leading to the front doors of the apartments - the most direct way!
He quickly take the dead child from the bed and disappears from the patio door onto Rua Dr. Agostinho da Silva and then to Rua da Escola Primaria, down to Rua 25 de Abril, which is where he is seen by the Irish.
Since it is quite late he finds a hidden spot at the beach (possibly war behind, near bushes and trees) to provisionally bury Madeleine.
The removal of the corpse from the beach is done several days later, possibly deep in the night. Madeleine is then brought to an unknown place and her remains hidden.
Yes, Madeleine’s parents most definitely were responsible for her death.
Whilst the behaviour of the parents in the aftermath could be viewed as rather odd, I find it impossible to think that they’d be capable of carrying out the above scenario - and also it seems unbelievable that they’d keep that secret for all this time. You read about this happening with new partners covering up abuse, but it seems totally unlikely in this case.
Leaving the twins after raising the alarm would be a knee-jerk reaction in shock – don’t forget they’d already risk assessed leaving the kids in the room unattended and believed it to be acceptable – misguided as this seems to pretty much any other parent. How else would Kate have raised the alarm without leaving the apartment to tell someone?
What I took away from the documentary is that it has to be an abduction. The “ladies of a certain age” spotting some guys out of place in an alley near the apartment, the nearby resident who discovered an intruder in her home while her young daughter was playing alone downstairs, a history of gangs operating in the area, etc.
It really wouldn’t have been difficult to watch the McCann’s regular routine over a couple of days and prepare for an abduction. Watching one of the group check on the kids and then walk all the way back to the tapas bar – a clear window of time to walk straight in through the open door and carry her away in a matter of seconds. Possibly sedated as a bonus if that was even the case, but they wouldn’t have known that.
Leaving the twins after raising the alarm would be a knee-jerk reaction in shock – don’t forget they’d already risk assessed leaving the kids in the room unattended and believed it to be acceptable – misguided as this seems to pretty much any other parent. How else would Kate have raised the alarm without leaving the apartment to tell someone?
What I took away from the documentary is that it has to be an abduction. The “ladies of a certain age” spotting some guys out of place in an alley near the apartment, the nearby resident who discovered an intruder in her home while her young daughter was playing alone downstairs, a history of gangs operating in the area, etc.
It really wouldn’t have been difficult to watch the McCann’s regular routine over a couple of days and prepare for an abduction. Watching one of the group check on the kids and then walk all the way back to the tapas bar – a clear window of time to walk straight in through the open door and carry her away in a matter of seconds. Possibly sedated as a bonus if that was even the case, but they wouldn’t have known that.
George Smiley said:
Like any other parent she would have screamed from the apartment and raised the alarm that way
Well, yes, but ironically everyone she needed to call upon for help was too far away at the tapas bar out of earshot....Plus the twins were still asleep and in that initial moment I'd probably think my daughter had pottered off to the loo or something - not finding her immediately in the next few panicked seconds would have me running outside looking for her - then perhaps very rapidly coming to the conclusion that she might have been taken by someone.
Also perhaps a subconscious reaction there by Kate having doubts about whether leaving them all unattended in the room was a good idea in the first place - abduction may have been somewhere in the back of her mind. We don't know who's idea the whole setup was.
Dr Interceptor said:
4Q said:
kippax said:
The parents leave all children alone in the apartment, going as far as leaving the patio door open and accessible to anyone. Why?
After realising that Madeleine is gone, Mrs. McCann runs back to the restaurant to notify her husband and friends, leaving the two other kids behind. Why would she do that if she just ran across an obviously dangerous situation?
These two points are enough to suspect the following:
Madeleine was not in the bedroom that night because she has died already. The parents deem the area very safe - as does everybody else - which is why the parents leave the patio door open and she comes back to the restaurant after “finding out Madeleine is gone”.
The official explaination as to why the left the patio door open is that the childrens’ bedroom was located near the front door, so the parents entering from the front door would wake them up. I’m so sorry, but this is the most lame excuse I have heard for leaving the door to the house open. It is entirely possible to enter through any front door without making much noise.
This suspicion is supported by following observations and heresay:
According to their own testimony, they checked on the kids every 30 minutes. Assuming they didn’t use a stopwatch it would be extremely difficult for abductors to estimate when they would come back again. The abduction must have been planned in advance, though the abductor could not have been sure that the patio door would be open.
Inconsistencies in the McCanns’ testimony: one time they used the (locked) front door, one time the patio door.
Madeleine’s DNA was found in the boot of the rental car of the McCanns, which they rented after the incident. This fact was disregarded by British press.
The Smith Sighting: an Irish couple was confirmed to have seen a man carrying a 3–4 years old girl with blond hair near the beach at Rua da Escola Primaria. at around 10pm. Electronic Facial Identifcation Technique was used from the Smiths’ descriptions and the result was very similar to Mr. McCann’s face.
Now comes my opinion after decent research:
Madeleine had died from an overdose of sedative pills earlier that day. This is already a popular opinion, but I will tell you exactly how they planned it.
The parents - possibly in shock - wanted to get rid of the body and planned the abduction theory. For it to be credible, they had to let some of their friends go to their apartment to check on the kids.
They invented the BS about the bedroom door position (they left is nearly closed but found it wide opened) to breed suspicion.
Mr Oldfield who went to check on the kids at around 21:30 (but eventually didn’t) would have seen three kids sleeping in their beds, with the exception that Madeleine was already dead.
Mrs. McCann notifies the group of the disappearance.
She stays at the restaurant to distract the group and prevent them from going to the apartment with them.
Mr McCann orders on the of the friends to call the police.
Mr McCann makes his way to the apartment via Rua Primeiro de Maio and turning left on the narrow path leading to the front doors of the apartments - the most direct way!
He quickly take the dead child from the bed and disappears from the patio door onto Rua Dr. Agostinho da Silva and then to Rua da Escola Primaria, down to Rua 25 de Abril, which is where he is seen by the Irish.
Since it is quite late he finds a hidden spot at the beach (possibly war behind, near bushes and trees) to provisionally bury Madeleine.
The removal of the corpse from the beach is done several days later, possibly deep in the night. Madeleine is then brought to an unknown place and her remains hidden.
Yes, Madeleine’s parents most definitely were responsible for her death.
This is a far more plausible scenario than abduction by a stranger, especially given the way the parents behaved in the immediate aftermath. Who leaves two other children unattended when you think one has been abducted? What parent when finding a child missing from their bed assumes someone has taken them! - most parents would initially assume that they got up and wandered off. What kind of parent goes to bed for a sleep four hours after their 3 year old goes missing. The details of their strange behaviour has been done to death but there is absolutely NO evidence pointing towards an abduction other than lies told by the McCanns like forced windows, “they’ve taken her” etc, and loads of circumstantial evidence that raises questions about the McCanns. After realising that Madeleine is gone, Mrs. McCann runs back to the restaurant to notify her husband and friends, leaving the two other kids behind. Why would she do that if she just ran across an obviously dangerous situation?
These two points are enough to suspect the following:
Madeleine was not in the bedroom that night because she has died already. The parents deem the area very safe - as does everybody else - which is why the parents leave the patio door open and she comes back to the restaurant after “finding out Madeleine is gone”.
The official explaination as to why the left the patio door open is that the childrens’ bedroom was located near the front door, so the parents entering from the front door would wake them up. I’m so sorry, but this is the most lame excuse I have heard for leaving the door to the house open. It is entirely possible to enter through any front door without making much noise.
This suspicion is supported by following observations and heresay:
According to their own testimony, they checked on the kids every 30 minutes. Assuming they didn’t use a stopwatch it would be extremely difficult for abductors to estimate when they would come back again. The abduction must have been planned in advance, though the abductor could not have been sure that the patio door would be open.
Inconsistencies in the McCanns’ testimony: one time they used the (locked) front door, one time the patio door.
Madeleine’s DNA was found in the boot of the rental car of the McCanns, which they rented after the incident. This fact was disregarded by British press.
The Smith Sighting: an Irish couple was confirmed to have seen a man carrying a 3–4 years old girl with blond hair near the beach at Rua da Escola Primaria. at around 10pm. Electronic Facial Identifcation Technique was used from the Smiths’ descriptions and the result was very similar to Mr. McCann’s face.
Now comes my opinion after decent research:
Madeleine had died from an overdose of sedative pills earlier that day. This is already a popular opinion, but I will tell you exactly how they planned it.
The parents - possibly in shock - wanted to get rid of the body and planned the abduction theory. For it to be credible, they had to let some of their friends go to their apartment to check on the kids.
They invented the BS about the bedroom door position (they left is nearly closed but found it wide opened) to breed suspicion.
Mr Oldfield who went to check on the kids at around 21:30 (but eventually didn’t) would have seen three kids sleeping in their beds, with the exception that Madeleine was already dead.
Mrs. McCann notifies the group of the disappearance.
She stays at the restaurant to distract the group and prevent them from going to the apartment with them.
Mr McCann orders on the of the friends to call the police.
Mr McCann makes his way to the apartment via Rua Primeiro de Maio and turning left on the narrow path leading to the front doors of the apartments - the most direct way!
He quickly take the dead child from the bed and disappears from the patio door onto Rua Dr. Agostinho da Silva and then to Rua da Escola Primaria, down to Rua 25 de Abril, which is where he is seen by the Irish.
Since it is quite late he finds a hidden spot at the beach (possibly war behind, near bushes and trees) to provisionally bury Madeleine.
The removal of the corpse from the beach is done several days later, possibly deep in the night. Madeleine is then brought to an unknown place and her remains hidden.
Yes, Madeleine’s parents most definitely were responsible for her death.
I do wonder if she was simply thrown into the sea in the hope that she would be washed up so that they could have a "legitimate" body to bury and a place to go and mourn. The creation of the media circus about the abduction was just an attempt to divert away from the neglectful parenting and hope she would be found washed up on a shoreline somewhere.
timmymagic73 said:
Whilst the behaviour of the parents in the aftermath could be viewed as rather odd, I find it impossible to think that they’d be capable of carrying out the above scenario - and also it seems unbelievable that they’d keep that secret for all this time. You read about this happening with new partners covering up abuse, but it seems totally unlikely in this case.
Leaving the twins after raising the alarm would be a knee-jerk reaction in shock – don’t forget they’d already risk assessed leaving the kids in the room unattended and believed it to be acceptable – misguided as this seems to pretty much any other parent. How else would Kate have raised the alarm without leaving the apartment to tell someone?
What I took away from the documentary is that it has to be an abduction. The “ladies of a certain age” spotting some guys out of place in an alley near the apartment, the nearby resident who discovered an intruder in her home while her young daughter was playing alone downstairs, a history of gangs operating in the area, etc.
It really wouldn’t have been difficult to watch the McCann’s regular routine over a couple of days and prepare for an abduction. Watching one of the group check on the kids and then walk all the way back to the tapas bar – a clear window of time to walk straight in through the open door and carry her away in a matter of seconds. Possibly sedated as a bonus if that was even the case, but they wouldn’t have known that.
Aye, no parent could possibly do anything like thatLeaving the twins after raising the alarm would be a knee-jerk reaction in shock – don’t forget they’d already risk assessed leaving the kids in the room unattended and believed it to be acceptable – misguided as this seems to pretty much any other parent. How else would Kate have raised the alarm without leaving the apartment to tell someone?
What I took away from the documentary is that it has to be an abduction. The “ladies of a certain age” spotting some guys out of place in an alley near the apartment, the nearby resident who discovered an intruder in her home while her young daughter was playing alone downstairs, a history of gangs operating in the area, etc.
It really wouldn’t have been difficult to watch the McCann’s regular routine over a couple of days and prepare for an abduction. Watching one of the group check on the kids and then walk all the way back to the tapas bar – a clear window of time to walk straight in through the open door and carry her away in a matter of seconds. Possibly sedated as a bonus if that was even the case, but they wouldn’t have known that.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/25/ro...
Oh, and just to make you feel all warm and fuzzy, apparently she was released 4 years into that sentence.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the Mccann’s come across as shifty liars simply because they are.
Not from some desperate ploy to cover their tracks over murdering their daughter but covering their tracks of their thoroughly s
tty behaviour of abandoning them night after night to go on the razz.
Phoany timelines, was this door locked, that door locked, shutters jemmied open, checked at this time, saw a person at that time, all complete bks.
Yes they tried to save their own skin but not because they killed her, simply because night after night they went out on the lash and didn’t want the whole world to know that they and their friends were terrible, negligent parents.
So they concocted a whole load of story’s to make themselves look better and for every little lie that gets examined it makes them look even more guilty of something.
Not from some desperate ploy to cover their tracks over murdering their daughter but covering their tracks of their thoroughly s
tty behaviour of abandoning them night after night to go on the razz.Phoany timelines, was this door locked, that door locked, shutters jemmied open, checked at this time, saw a person at that time, all complete b
ks.Yes they tried to save their own skin but not because they killed her, simply because night after night they went out on the lash and didn’t want the whole world to know that they and their friends were terrible, negligent parents.
So they concocted a whole load of story’s to make themselves look better and for every little lie that gets examined it makes them look even more guilty of something.
Oakey said:
Aye, no parent could possibly do anything like that
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/25/ro...
Oh, and just to make you feel all warm and fuzzy, apparently she was released 4 years into that sentence.
Tragic story - but she was covering up abuse over a period of days.... not the same scenario at all. Yes of course people are capable of these crimes, but it's very unusual and there are usually other circumstances leading to it. Not a summer holiday in Portugal with your friends and their kids.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/25/ro...
Oh, and just to make you feel all warm and fuzzy, apparently she was released 4 years into that sentence.
Yes, the whole setup was quite ridiculous and selfish, drinking with your mates and leaving your children unattended and so far out of sight - the cursory checks don't count for anything in my opinion - but it's a whole new level to actually carry out the "disposal" as suggested.
Covering their own arses - definitely, they knew they'd screwed up and didn't want to appear as terrible parents - but I still can't believe they were complicit in what happened. It just seems too easy for someone to have walked in and taken her - driven out of the country before the roadblocks (such that they were) were even set up.
timmymagic73 said:
It just seems too easy for someone to have walked in and taken her - driven out of the country before the roadblocks (such that they were) were even set up.
It just seems too unlikely to take that girl, in that little town, from that apartment, on that night. I've said before in this thread, I know the area extremely well and grew up out there... In my mind an abduction is the least likely scenario.Gameface said:
timmymagic73 said:
It just seems too easy for someone to have walked in and taken her - driven out of the country before the roadblocks (such that they were) were even set up.
Easy? You make it sound like kidnapping someone is a piece of piss.It isnt.
Gameface said:
Easy? You make it sound like kidnapping someone is a piece of piss.
It isnt.
My point is that by their behaviour the McCanns opened up an opportunity for kidnap which I agree would ordinarily be extremely difficult to do.It isnt.
I'm not questioning the Dr's local knowledge, but abduction attempts do happen at holiday resorts - and there appears to be at least 1 reported case of a home intruder/possible abduction attempt occurring locally according to the documentary. The sightings of "out of place" people seen around the resort could be interpreted either way.
The McCanns and their friends were probably quite a loud presence at the tapas bar after a few drinks. It wouldn't have been difficult to connect them with their children earlier in the day and come to the conclusion that all the adults were present and the children must be unattended back in the rooms.
Co-incidentally the McCanns had an apartment right on the fringe of the resort and next to a public road - if anyone was watching then the "routine checks" just confirmed this and opened up a window of opportunity.
Combine this with the tapas meal and drinks being a regular nightly occurrence and the odds for a successful abduction increase still further.
Just my theory.
timmymagic73 said:
Whilst the behaviour of the parents in the aftermath could be viewed as rather odd, I find it impossible to think that they’d be capable of carrying out the above scenario - and also it seems unbelievable that they’d keep that secret for all this time. You read about this happening with new partners covering up abuse, but it seems totally unlikely in this case.
Leaving the twins after raising the alarm would be a knee-jerk reaction in shock – don’t forget they’d already risk assessed leaving the kids in the room unattended and believed it to be acceptable – misguided as this seems to pretty much any other parent. How else would Kate have raised the alarm without leaving the apartment to tell someone?
What I took away from the documentary is that it has to be an abduction. The “ladies of a certain age” spotting some guys out of place in an alley near the apartment, the nearby resident who discovered an intruder in her home while her young daughter was playing alone downstairs, a history of gangs operating in the area, etc.
It really wouldn’t have been difficult to watch the McCann’s regular routine over a couple of days and prepare for an abduction. Watching one of the group check on the kids and then walk all the way back to the tapas bar – a clear window of time to walk straight in through the open door and carry her away in a matter of seconds. Possibly sedated as a bonus if that was even the case, but they wouldn’t have known that.
Precisely. Any theory which involves the parents killing their child (accidentally or otherwise) and successfully concocting a convoluted story about abductions and suchlike in order to dispose of the body in a foreign country and maintaining it for well over a decade - let alone roping in multiple other individuals into the plot is fLeaving the twins after raising the alarm would be a knee-jerk reaction in shock – don’t forget they’d already risk assessed leaving the kids in the room unattended and believed it to be acceptable – misguided as this seems to pretty much any other parent. How else would Kate have raised the alarm without leaving the apartment to tell someone?
What I took away from the documentary is that it has to be an abduction. The “ladies of a certain age” spotting some guys out of place in an alley near the apartment, the nearby resident who discovered an intruder in her home while her young daughter was playing alone downstairs, a history of gangs operating in the area, etc.
It really wouldn’t have been difficult to watch the McCann’s regular routine over a couple of days and prepare for an abduction. Watching one of the group check on the kids and then walk all the way back to the tapas bar – a clear window of time to walk straight in through the open door and carry her away in a matter of seconds. Possibly sedated as a bonus if that was even the case, but they wouldn’t have known that.
k-witted conspiraloon nonsense of the highest order.She was either abducted or wandered off. Nut cases who come up with other rubbish are just insulting the memory of the poor child.
Dr Interceptor said:
timmymagic73 said:
It just seems too easy for someone to have walked in and taken her - driven out of the country before the roadblocks (such that they were) were even set up.
It just seems too unlikely to take that girl, in that little town, from that apartment, on that night. I've said before in this thread, I know the area extremely well and grew up out there... In my mind an abduction is the least likely scenario.AJL308 said:
Precisely. Any theory which involves the parents killing their child (accidentally or otherwise) and successfully concocting a convoluted story about abductions and suchlike in order to dispose of the body in a foreign country and maintaining it for well over a decade - let alone roping in multiple other individuals into the plot is fk-witted conspiraloon nonsense of the highest order.
She was either abducted or wandered off. Nut cases who come up with other rubbish are just insulting the memory of the poor child.
Charming! You’ve just insulted a lot of people simply because you disagree with them. That doesn’t seem very civil. k-witted conspiraloon nonsense of the highest order.She was either abducted or wandered off. Nut cases who come up with other rubbish are just insulting the memory of the poor child.
I admire the passion with which you speak about such a topic you find so simple.
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