More money to find missing girl

[Camoradi]

Oakey said:

Gameface said:

Easy? You make it sound like kidnapping someone is a piece of piss.

It isnt.

Oh aye, what've you been up to now

It can happen.....

I (along with a classmate) was abducted when I was five years old by a female teacher at my school. She simply told us that she was going to take us home in her car at the end of the day, and then drove us to her house. Neither of us thought anything was wrong until the police turned up and bundled her away in a car. I don't recall much about the incident itself but I think we were only missing for a couple of hours. A few weeks later me and the other boy both received a pack of pencils embossed with our names, which I assume came from her. All very odd.

[Gameface]

Oakey said:

Gameface said:

Easy? You make it sound like kidnapping someone is a piece of piss.

It isnt.

Oh aye, what've you been up to now

It's on the bucket list.

[DS240]

AJL308 said:

Agammemnon said:

timmymagic73 said:

My point is that by their behaviour the McCanns opened up an opportunity for kidnap which I agree would ordinarily be extremely difficult to do.

How unfortunate that the time & place of their doing so coincided with the presence & intention of an abductor. Amazing synchronicity.

Paedophiles are not particularly rare, unfortunately, and a young child was taken from that area only a few years prior. A child who was proved to have been used for paedophilia as his mother identified him in a siezed recording.

After the high profile McCann case you’d think any other abduction involving a UK child from a European location would be big news, but I cannot recall another case since.

This being the case, it makes them even more unlucky after we had claims of these paedo rings abducting people around Europe just ready to pounce.

They just got their moment right when the parents were out drinking. Rotten luck.

[Gadgetmac]

It’s the perfect crime, go away on holiday with loads of people to make it easy for yourself to a place you where you don’t know the terrain and then try and find a place to stash the body that both the locals and the police don’t know about and where they wont ever find the body. Then, under cross examination, come up with such watertight alibis that the police there (and later Scotland Yard) can’t find fault with.

It’s brilliant in it’s foolproof simplicity.

[skwdenyer]

AJL308 said:

Agammemnon said:

timmymagic73 said:

My point is that by their behaviour the McCanns opened up an opportunity for kidnap which I agree would ordinarily be extremely difficult to do.

How unfortunate that the time & place of their doing so coincided with the presence & intention of an abductor. Amazing synchronicity.

Paedophiles are not particularly rare, unfortunately, and a young child was taken from that area only a few years prior. A child who was proved to have been used for paedophilia as his mother identified him in a siezed recording.

As a point of order, that case was 1988. It was absolutely horrific - see https://www.mamamia.com.au/rui-pedro-madeleine-mcc... for instance - and related to the "Wonderland" paedophile ring. Of 1263 separate children portrayed in the siezed materials, only 16 were apparently identified - one of them being the child in question from Portugal.

In that case, however, the child wasn't "snatched" but instead lured away by somebody known to the family (to visit a prostitute, at age 11), who then it seems arranged for the child to disappear. But differences aside, it did happen and was horrid and the evidence suggests other child abductions happened "to order" around the same time.

As regards those who say "XYZ theory is highly unlikely" don't forget we're dealing with 1 case here, not a data set. Averages are rather irrelevant - something happened, and low-probability events still happen despite their low probability. Just because something is - on average - unlikely does not mean it should simply be dismissed. Prior to 2008, most people didn't believe the banks could collapse...

(edited to fix link)

Edited by skwdenyer on Friday 26th July 14:36

[RB Will]

Gadgetmac said:

It’s the perfect crime, go away on holiday with loads of people to make it easy for yourself to a place you where you don’t know the terrain and then try and find a place to stash the body that both the locals and the police don’t know about and where they wont ever find the body. Then, under cross examination, come up with such watertight alibis that the police there (and later Scotland Yard) can’t find fault with.

It’s brilliant in it’s foolproof simplicity.

I don’t think the plan from the off was to lose the child so first few points are irrelevant.

It’s possible they didn’t have to stash the body, maybe someone they knew took her, maybe she was dumped in the sea but through sheer luck for them never washed up, or if she had they could have claimed she wandered off and drowned.

Your last points, you meant to say under examination from the local police they thought your alibi was so dodgy they made you official suspects and you thought it best to no comment in interview then leave the country. The second police force seemingly under pressure from somewhere higher up have seemingly broken standard procedure and not even looked into the alibis.

I think the thing that is saving their backsides is that nobody can propose and certainly not prove how to account for the missing child

[Starfighter]

Yes the parents have taken a stance of obstruction and evasion (supported by considerable financial power given to them by the public) with regard to the official investigations. For some odd reason this is supported by various mechanisms of the state.

I doubt that this case follows the standard pattern of a missing child investigation. Why is that?

[Gadgetmac]

RB Will said:

I don’t think the plan from the off was to lose the child so first few points are irrelevant.

It’s possible they didn’t have to stash the body, maybe someone they knew took her, maybe she was dumped in the sea but through sheer luck for them never washed up, or if she had they could have claimed she wandered off and drowned.

So, to sum up your staement, I quote...

You don’t think...

It’s possible...

Maybe someone they knew...

Maybe she was dumped....

Or if she...

They could have....


FFS

And if my auntie had bks she’d be my uncle.

You are the very caricature of an internet conspiracy theorist.

[Gameface]

You defend your opinion just as strenuously.

[Gadgetmac]

Gameface said:

You defend your opinion just as strenuously.

I have no opinion but go with the experts who’ve being doing these investigations for over 100 years, the police and not armchair detectives who think that because they played cluedo once as a kid it gives them real life experience in these matters and will happily call an innocent couple who’s child is missing a pair of murderers.

[Gameface]

None of us know what happened but your condescending personal insults to those who don't share your stance on the matter, is poor form IMO.

[Gadgetmac]

Gameface said:

None of us know what happened but your condescending personal insults to those who don't share your stance on the matter, is poor form IMO.

I couldn’t care less when those same people are casting more than just personal insults at parents who’ve lost the child with zero evidence to back it up.

The poor form is defending such people, as you appear to be doing, IMO.

[Gameface]

Sigh... Ok. I'll leave you to it.

[RB Will]

Gadgetmac said:

I couldn’t care less when those same people are casting more than just personal insults at parents who’ve lost the child with zero evidence to back it up.

The poor form is defending such people, as you appear to be doing, IMO.

My previous post was full of ifs and maybes as I was trying not to directly accuse the parents. Im just offering possible alternatives to your theory.

When you talk of trusting the police etc you are aware, as I have said many times my statements are directly from the police, eg Colin Sutton, the PJ so I suppose you are painting the police as conspiracy nut jobs too

[eccles]

Gameface said:

Sigh... Ok. I'll leave you to it.

You should have told him a joke, he has a legendary sense of humour you know!

[Gadgetmac]

RB Will said:

Gadgetmac said:

I couldn’t care less when those same people are casting more than just personal insults at parents who’ve lost the child with zero evidence to back it up.

The poor form is defending such people, as you appear to be doing, IMO.

My previous post was full of ifs and maybes as I was trying not to directly accuse the parents. Im just offering possible alternatives to your theory

When you talk of trusting the police etc you are aware, as I have said many times my statements are directly from the police, eg Colin Sutton, the PJ so I suppose you are painting the police as conspiracy nut jobs too

So one retired Policeman, Colin Sutton, who apparently turned down the chance to head up the Metropolitan Police's investigation into her disappearance thinks the jury is still out on the McCanns (but won’t actually say he thinks they did anything at all) and is your source?

And the bit in bold...

I don’t have a theory, so I’m not accusing anyone of anything.

[Agammemnon]

Gadgetmac said:

So, to sum up your staement, I quote...
You don’t think...
It’s possible...
Maybe someone they knew...
Maybe she was dumped....
Or if she...
They could have....

He's admitting that the facts aren't known & putting caveats on his statements- sounds perfectly reasonable. Except where something is proven fact, anyone who makes definite claims is a fool.

[Gadgetmac]

eccles said:

Gameface said:

Sigh... Ok. I'll leave you to it.

You should have told him a joke, he has a legendary sense of humour you know!

I know it’s not compulsory on this thread so I don’t have any proof but I’d say you’re probably on drugs

[Gadgetmac]

Agammemnon said:

He's admitting that the facts aren't known & putting caveats on his statements- sounds perfectly reasonable. Except where something is proven fact, anyone who makes definite claims is a fool.

Exactly. Now lets apply that to all of those intimating the McCanns had a hand in this...

[Dr Interceptor]

Gadgetmac said:

I have no opinion

Has no opinion, but will deride anyone who dares suggest it was anything other than a simple abduction/kidnapping.