More money to find missing girl
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Welshbeef said:
WilliamWoollard said:
It wasn’t just blood, the cadaver dogs also indicated in that area of the apartment IIRC. Pretty sure we’d have heard about it if someone had previously died in that apartment.
Is it 100% that those dogs are right. Did anyone have the video of the dogs searching and bingo or an “officer” who might have been involved (influtrated police departments do happen - see line of duty;) )
eccles said:
And round we go again!
We always will until there is a solution. You can or anyone can state or believe something happened or didn’t the next person can believe something different. Conjecture is great.
Don’t hurt your head though - and don’t close down routes as the solution proposed is preposterous as it stands.
Welshbeef said:
eccles said:
And round we go again!
We always will until there is a solution. You can or anyone can state or believe something happened or didn’t the next person can believe something different. Conjecture is great.
Don’t hurt your head though - and don’t close down routes as the solution proposed is preposterous as it stands.
eccles said:
It's just that you are asking questions on points that have been explained and gone over many times. Why not go back to the beginning and start reading again?
Because if everyone did that then PH forums would be dead every challenge or repair or issues with cars have already been dealt withWelshbeef said:
eccles said:
It's just that you are asking questions on points that have been explained and gone over many times. Why not go back to the beginning and start reading again?
Because if everyone did that then PH forums would be dead every challenge or repair or issues with cars have already been dealt withWelshbeef said:
WilliamWoollard said:
It wasn’t just blood, the cadaver dogs also indicated in that area of the apartment IIRC. Pretty sure we’d have heard about it if someone had previously died in that apartment.
Is it 100% that those dogs are right. Welshbeef said:
Did anyone have the video of the dogs searching and bingo or an “officer” who might have been involved (influtrated police departments do happen - see line of duty;) )
I have no idea what you're on about.Exige77 said:
They left their three young children alone while they went out for the evening. Those are the main facts. Only themselves to blame.
This really - we have 10 month old twins and a just under two year old and went on holiday (well... away for the weekend to Norfolk) recently and it would never have crossed our minds to leave them home alone and go out on the piss - if that’s people’s idea of a “standard holiday” then It’s a sad state of affairs. foreright said:
This really - we have 10 month old twins and a just under two year old and went on holiday (well... away for the weekend to Norfolk) recently and it would never have crossed our minds to leave them home alone and go out on the piss - if that’s people’s idea of a “standard holiday” then It’s a sad state of affairs.
It really isn’t the standard - instead I’d say it’s the extreme. Welshbeef said:
WilliamWoollard said:
I have no idea what you're on about.
How do we know without a question of doubt the dogs are right and beyond reasonable doubt Edited by WilliamWoollard on Sunday 19th May 18:40
What would the endgame be for the dogs/ handler to be giving off false positive alerts?
An experienced world renowned handler and 2 dogs with a proven track record. Sent over by the police force/ government who seemingly don’t want to acknowledge any idea that the parents may be implicated. And they they throw up loads of positive results which form the basis of the narrative against the parents and the most compelling “evidence” in the whole case.
Surely any manipulation of the dogs would have been to make them not alert? To make the parents look innocent.
An experienced world renowned handler and 2 dogs with a proven track record. Sent over by the police force/ government who seemingly don’t want to acknowledge any idea that the parents may be implicated. And they they throw up loads of positive results which form the basis of the narrative against the parents and the most compelling “evidence” in the whole case.
Surely any manipulation of the dogs would have been to make them not alert? To make the parents look innocent.
Torquey said:
It sounds like that is the last podcast?
The frustration from following this closely is immense.
I felt at the end the Author hinted towards many frustrating experiences too. Not getting responses from SY and other British involvement as well as not being able to disclose all that he has found for legal reasons.
The whole thing is a clusterf
k which stinks of corruption.
Poor little girl.
Yep, final episode. The frustration from following this closely is immense.
I felt at the end the Author hinted towards many frustrating experiences too. Not getting responses from SY and other British involvement as well as not being able to disclose all that he has found for legal reasons.
The whole thing is a clusterf
k which stinks of corruption. Poor little girl.
Interesting to hear in it from Colin Sutton, that he had been warned off taking the investigation because he had been told that 'stranger abduction' was the only line of enquiry to be pursued by Operation Grange. I do wonder what the Met are now doing every day on this.
RB Will said:
What would the endgame be for the dogs/ handler to be giving off false positive alerts?
Surely any manipulation of the dogs would have been to make them not alert? To make the parents look innocent.
Let’s be clear about this. The job of the dogs is to signal where humans should look for evidence. Surely any manipulation of the dogs would have been to make them not alert? To make the parents look innocent.
The dogs were taken to a warehouse where there were a bunch of cars, one of which was the mccanns hire car. The dog handler did not know which car was which. The dogs alerted to various places in only the McCanns car. Indeed when the humans looked for evidence in each of those specific places they found them.
When the humans analysed the blood, the dna analysis techniques at the time were not able to rule out that it was maddie’s DNA.
Those are all facts.
I’m my opinion, the reason there is disagreement around whether or not dog signalling is _by itself_ evidence (it isn’t) is because Gerry’s immediate reaction upon the discovery of the dna evidence was to confirm with his lawyer that the dog signalling was inadmissible in a European court and go on a press tour telling everyone such.
Welshbeef said:
It really isn’t the standard - instead I’d say it’s the extreme.
I’m really relieved you’ve changed your opinion on this. I remember a heated debate between us two a few years ago where you repeatedly said it was just like having a bbq in the back garden, and I said it really wasn’t! ...what was it that finally changed your mind?I know I'll get slated for not reading all the volumes but have the McCann's been asked why they left their children on their own that night (and it seems every night)?
Or do you think the press have been briefed not to specifically asked that?
I'm sure the guilt knowing this would have been prevented if they had taken the children with them or had a baby sitter is something that will never leave them. Even if it doesn't look like they feel any at all.
Or do you think the press have been briefed not to specifically asked that?
I'm sure the guilt knowing this would have been prevented if they had taken the children with them or had a baby sitter is something that will never leave them. Even if it doesn't look like they feel any at all.
The argument was that the apartment was just the other side of the swimming pool where the tapas restaurant was and so they were happy to check on them ‘every twenty minutes’. Two red points on the map. All the parents in the group did the same.
I can’t imagine ever doing that now, but then the whole McCann thing is the reason for that. Maybe attitudes were different then? The Netflix documentary is worth a watch.
I can’t imagine ever doing that now, but then the whole McCann thing is the reason for that. Maybe attitudes were different then? The Netflix documentary is worth a watch.
Edited by essayer on Tuesday 21st May 12:03
PBDirector said:
Let’s be clear about this. The job of the dogs is to signal where humans should look for evidence.
The dogs were taken to a warehouse where there were a bunch of cars, one of which was the mccanns hire car. The dog handler did not know which car was which. The dogs alerted to various places in only the McCanns car. Indeed when the humans looked for evidence in each of those specific places they found them.
When the humans analysed the blood, the dna analysis techniques at the time were not able to rule out that it was maddie’s DNA.
Those are all facts.
I’m my opinion, the reason there is disagreement around whether or not dog signalling is _by itself_ evidence (it isn’t) is because Gerry’s immediate reaction upon the discovery of the dna evidence was to confirm with his lawyer that the dog signalling was inadmissible in a European court and go on a press tour telling everyone such.
Nicely put.The dogs were taken to a warehouse where there were a bunch of cars, one of which was the mccanns hire car. The dog handler did not know which car was which. The dogs alerted to various places in only the McCanns car. Indeed when the humans looked for evidence in each of those specific places they found them.
When the humans analysed the blood, the dna analysis techniques at the time were not able to rule out that it was maddie’s DNA.
Those are all facts.
I’m my opinion, the reason there is disagreement around whether or not dog signalling is _by itself_ evidence (it isn’t) is because Gerry’s immediate reaction upon the discovery of the dna evidence was to confirm with his lawyer that the dog signalling was inadmissible in a European court and go on a press tour telling everyone such.
Just to add - as I'm sure some people don't follow this so closely.
Back in 2007 when the DNA was tested and proven inconclusive, DNA technology was not as good as it is now. Some American company has offered to re-test the samples again (at no cost) using a more up to date method (TrueAllele if you wish to google it) which has a good track record.
All invitations to test it have been ignored by British Authorities so far.
It's almost impossible to comment on this thread for fear of it being taken down....here goes...
The points raised are strange and compelling, however having watched the documentary, in my opinion no way did anything from that flat get taken out and disposed of at a later date, not with that amount of media around.
Also, I was under the impression that the car was hired several days after the event (25 google tells me), I simply can not imagine they could keep an item for 25 days then under cover of the worlds media, transport it out, to where???
I do think something is a miss, I suspect it's either abduction or something even more terrible than we dare to speculate....
The points raised are strange and compelling, however having watched the documentary, in my opinion no way did anything from that flat get taken out and disposed of at a later date, not with that amount of media around.
Also, I was under the impression that the car was hired several days after the event (25 google tells me), I simply can not imagine they could keep an item for 25 days then under cover of the worlds media, transport it out, to where???
I do think something is a miss, I suspect it's either abduction or something even more terrible than we dare to speculate....
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