More money to find missing girl
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RB Will said:
PBDirector said:
Ayahuasca said:
They are not concerned about ‘clearing their name’ because nobody sensible thinks they ‘did it’. They are not concerned about internet speculation and rightly so.
Btw, I agree with your statement. What’s in the mccanns interest to do this analysis? If you’re the mccanns and you know you’re innocent, what’s the point?Could even work for financial gain as if it proved them innocent they might be able to reopen the case against Amoral by proving he was chatting s
t about them. WilliamWoollard said:
So much they do seems to be financially motivated, yet something comes along that could not only exonerate them, but also raise awareness of the case, undoubtedly leading to an increase in donations to the pot of money allegedly being used to find their missing daughter
The “leave no stone unturned” fund. 
V8covin said:
I don't know anyone who DOESN'T suspect the parents
I don’t believe they did it - a few reasons 1. I cannot comprehend any parent doing such a thing
2. They have not been charged and taken to trial
3. Over a decade of unimaginable focus and pressure on exactly this point hasn’t resulted in them breaking and giving up.
Welshbeef said:
1. I cannot comprehend any parent doing such a thing
2. They have not been charged and taken to trial
3. Over a decade of unimaginable focus and pressure on exactly this point hasn’t resulted in them breaking and giving up.
1. You don’t seem to comprehend much on the Chernobyl thread either, presumably we aren’t to believe nuclear physics doesn’t exist.2. They have not been charged and taken to trial
3. Over a decade of unimaginable focus and pressure on exactly this point hasn’t resulted in them breaking and giving up.
2. No one is until there is enough evidence obtained to go forward with a trial that could result in a conviction. Just because the evidence hasn’t been obtained or found, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
3. What pressure and focus? Where are they tonight? Last Thursday? 2nd of July 2016? They live anonymity unless they’re courting the media.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Welshbeef said:
1. I cannot comprehend any parent doing such a thing
2. They have not been charged and taken to trial
3. Over a decade of unimaginable focus and pressure on exactly this point hasn’t resulted in them breaking and giving up.
1. You don’t seem to comprehend much on the Chernobyl thread either, presumably we aren’t to believe nuclear physics doesn’t exist.2. They have not been charged and taken to trial
3. Over a decade of unimaginable focus and pressure on exactly this point hasn’t resulted in them breaking and giving up.
2. No one is until there is enough evidence obtained to go forward with a trial that could result in a conviction. Just because the evidence hasn’t been obtained or found, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
3. What pressure and focus? Where are they tonight? Last Thursday? 2nd of July 2016? They live anonymity unless they’re courting the media.
I can understand the mindset of someone questioning the facts of the case, and even to some extent that of someone throwing abuse at the parents because they think the parents are involved and they feel justice for maddie has been evaded.
But if you look on Twitter (urgh, what a toxic cess pool) you’ll see people civilly questioning some of the facts of the case who are then attacked by reply using the harshest terms imaginable, even supposed death threats or threats of violence.
What’s motivating those responders to respond with such guttural passion and conviction?
Is it just that the twitter format lends itself to extreme polarising camps? Are people perceiving themselves in the mccanns position and then feeling horrified at being questioned? Just trolls who’ve picked an arbitrary side?
Perhaps all of the above?
Tis very odd.
I must admit I do find the theory that ‘operation grange just keeps ticking along to prevent FoI requests’ interesting. And as a previous poster said, if we’re going to trial with this new suspect, surely the defence can open this all up for analysis.
But if you look on Twitter (urgh, what a toxic cess pool) you’ll see people civilly questioning some of the facts of the case who are then attacked by reply using the harshest terms imaginable, even supposed death threats or threats of violence.
What’s motivating those responders to respond with such guttural passion and conviction?
Is it just that the twitter format lends itself to extreme polarising camps? Are people perceiving themselves in the mccanns position and then feeling horrified at being questioned? Just trolls who’ve picked an arbitrary side?
Perhaps all of the above?
Tis very odd.
I must admit I do find the theory that ‘operation grange just keeps ticking along to prevent FoI requests’ interesting. And as a previous poster said, if we’re going to trial with this new suspect, surely the defence can open this all up for analysis.
Welshbeef said:
I don’t believe they did it - a few reasons
1. I cannot comprehend any parent doing such a thing
What is the 'thing' they have or have not done that you cannot comprehend? 1. I cannot comprehend any parent doing such a thing
I do not imagine for a moment that either McCann parent has actively gone into their holiday home and murdered their daughter maliciously.
I am prepared to ride with the theory that they may have given her a sedative, and under its influence she has met a tragic accident, and - unable to revive a dead child - they may have made "best" of dreadful situation, because the being found out would lead to career-losing consequences and possibly more. Even you WB must be able to see that as a possibility, no? That's what several law enforcement agencies think anyway.
PurpleTurtle said:
What is the 'thing' they have or have not done that you cannot comprehend?
I do not imagine for a moment that either McCann parent has actively gone into their holiday home and murdered their daughter maliciously.
I am prepared to ride with the theory that they may have given her a sedative, and under its influence she has met a tragic accident, and - unable to revive a dead child - they may have made "best" of dreadful situation, because the being found out would lead to career-losing consequences and possibly more. Even you WB must be able to see that as a possibility, no? That's what several law enforcement agencies think anyway.
Surely the timeframe is against this? I find it very hard to believe that in a short space of time the parents could enter their apartment, find their daughter dead, come to a joint decision to put their careers before all else, hide the body somewhere a likely imminent police search wouldn't find it (without being seen) and then convincingly lie to their friends and the police that she had been abducted. I do not imagine for a moment that either McCann parent has actively gone into their holiday home and murdered their daughter maliciously.
I am prepared to ride with the theory that they may have given her a sedative, and under its influence she has met a tragic accident, and - unable to revive a dead child - they may have made "best" of dreadful situation, because the being found out would lead to career-losing consequences and possibly more. Even you WB must be able to see that as a possibility, no? That's what several law enforcement agencies think anyway.
jtremlett said:
urely the timeframe is against this? I find it very hard to believe...
And there is the rub. In the absence of facts it’s up to people to speculate.I personally believe that there was time for such a scenario to have occurred. (I’m not saying it did, just that there was time) in particular because most of what people believe are the facts of the case were in fact what they were told my the McCann press camp. Not from looking at (what little) evidence there is.
which is why it goes round and round...
jtremlett said:
PurpleTurtle said:
What is the 'thing' they have or have not done that you cannot comprehend?
I do not imagine for a moment that either McCann parent has actively gone into their holiday home and murdered their daughter maliciously.
I am prepared to ride with the theory that they may have given her a sedative, and under its influence she has met a tragic accident, and - unable to revive a dead child - they may have made "best" of dreadful situation, because the being found out would lead to career-losing consequences and possibly more. Even you WB must be able to see that as a possibility, no? That's what several law enforcement agencies think anyway.
Surely the timeframe is against this? I find it very hard to believe that in a short space of time the parents could enter their apartment, find their daughter dead, come to a joint decision to put their careers before all else, hide the body somewhere a likely imminent police search wouldn't find it (without being seen) and then convincingly lie to their friends and the police that she had been abducted. I do not imagine for a moment that either McCann parent has actively gone into their holiday home and murdered their daughter maliciously.
I am prepared to ride with the theory that they may have given her a sedative, and under its influence she has met a tragic accident, and - unable to revive a dead child - they may have made "best" of dreadful situation, because the being found out would lead to career-losing consequences and possibly more. Even you WB must be able to see that as a possibility, no? That's what several law enforcement agencies think anyway.
One of the Tapas bunch putting his ear to the door, not hearing any crying or movemen thus deducing everything was OK does not count as an independent witness.
You're also considering it to be a joint enterprise, that both were involved
Edited by PurpleTurtle on Wednesday 22 May 14:41
PurpleTurtle said:
The timeframe between when Madeleine McCann was last seen alive by an independent witness, and when she was notified as missing by Kate McCann is about four and a half hours.
Yes, this is an example of the other factor that keeps this discussion alive. There is zero evidence of an abduction. When one starts thinking “ok, what else could have happened”, one starts to find evidence that actually supports that potential theory.So now you have the official story which has ZERO evidence and at least one other theory that HAS evidence.
Couple that with the fact that investigation of this case is seemingly prohibited by threat of lawsuit, and you have a compelling cocktail for speculation.
PurpleTurtle said:
The timeframe between when Madeleine McCann was last seen alive by an independent witness, and when she was notified as missing by Kate McCann is about four and a half hours...
Maybe so but I'm really talking about any time period between a potential accident happening and the parents subsequently being in public - boozing with their chums or talking to the police or whatever which would be a fraction of that time.PurpleTurtle said:
...You're also considering it to be a joint enterprise, that both were involved
Good point. Yes I was. Also occams razor
UK https://straightstatistics.fullfact.org/article/ho...
I'm not spending ages however 2007-08 number of children dying due to neglect of parent leading to accidental death - 8
Murder by parent - 25
Portugal abductions - 3 per year - https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/585734/30-k...
Just a quick google I know, however I'm rather suprised that a child is more likely to be murdered, or neglected to death by a parent, than snatched..
Who'd have thunked it...
UK https://straightstatistics.fullfact.org/article/ho...
I'm not spending ages however 2007-08 number of children dying due to neglect of parent leading to accidental death - 8
Murder by parent - 25
Portugal abductions - 3 per year - https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/585734/30-k...
Just a quick google I know, however I'm rather suprised that a child is more likely to be murdered, or neglected to death by a parent, than snatched..
Who'd have thunked it...
More money in the pipeline https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48533619
Penelope Stopit said:
More money in the pipeline https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48533619
An anagram of Operation Grange is 'Gent Poorer Again', only he's no gent.Penelope Stopit said:
More money in the pipeline https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48533619
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