Mandalay Bay shooting

[Davos123]

p1stonhead said:

Perhaps in the US they should ensure no guns are brought into hotels and casinos.

Half of their guests probably have open carry permits

[TheRainMaker]

Davos123 said:

Half of their guests probably have open carry permits

As an outsider, I cant think of one reason you would need a gun in a mainstream hotel or casino, I guess it's just because you can.

Just been googling gun deaths in America.

[Davos123]

TheRainMaker said:

As an outsider, I cant think of one reason you would need a gun in a mainstream hotel or casino, I guess it's just because you can.

Just been googling gun deaths in America.

I don't know if that includes suicides but if it does it's not a good comparison. Americans kill themselves with guns but they don't do so at a higher rate than similar nations. Including suicide deaths that happen to be by gun happens a lot and it's disingenuous, there's no evidence that says people kill themselves more because of access to guns.

[98elise]

TheRainMaker said:

Davos123 said:

Half of their guests probably have open carry permits

As an outsider, I cant think of one reason you would need a gun in a mainstream hotel or casino, I guess it's just because you can.

Just been googling gun deaths in America.

You could say that about almost any situation. The fact is it's not illegal so the hotel has no reason to stop people, or carry out any additional security checks.

[Alucidnation]

djc206 said:

p1stonhead said:

Maybe something to do with letting someone bring 5000 guns into a hotel room and no one saying anything?

Granted its Nevada which I understand to have very relaxed laws, but surely there has to be rules on this?

Then again; "America", so probably not...

In fact the only place in the world I have is in Delhi and I had a Kukri in my bag, the very polite man asked if I minded if he kept my sword in the hotel safe until we departed...

Why do you feel the need to carry a knife with you?

[anonymous-user]

iphonedyou said:

You didn't read the link did you?

I did, as i stated, i think this will backfire on the bottom line.

[Evanivitch]

p1stonhead said:

Maybe something to do with letting someone bring 5000 guns into a hotel room and no one saying anything?

Granted its Nevada which I understand to have very relaxed laws, but surely there has to be rules on this?

Then again; "America", so probably not...

Would you rather he left them in a van to get stolen? There's plenty of people that do sporting shoots, it's rare you would consider leaving a fire arm in the car overnight to be the safest place for it.

[p1stonhead]

Evanivitch said:

p1stonhead said:

Maybe something to do with letting someone bring 5000 guns into a hotel room and no one saying anything?

Granted its Nevada which I understand to have very relaxed laws, but surely there has to be rules on this?

Then again; "America", so probably not...

Would you rather he left them in a van to get stolen? There's plenty of people that do sporting shoots, it's rare you would consider leaving a fire arm in the car overnight to be the safest place for it.

In this instance yes!

[Evanivitch]

p1stonhead said:

Evanivitch said:

p1stonhead said:

Maybe something to do with letting someone bring 5000 guns into a hotel room and no one saying anything?

Granted its Nevada which I understand to have very relaxed laws, but surely there has to be rules on this?

Then again; "America", so probably not...

Would you rather he left them in a van to get stolen? There's plenty of people that do sporting shoots, it's rare you would consider leaving a fire arm in the car overnight to be the safest place for it.

In this instance yes!

[Gandahar]

p1stonhead said:

Maybe something to do with letting someone bring 5000 guns into a hotel room and no one saying anything?

Granted its Nevada which I understand to have very relaxed laws, but surely there has to be rules on this?

Then again; "America", so probably not...

5000 guns is a bit of an exaggeration. It was 5000+ rounds of which he fired 1000+ of them during the shooting time.

He had 22 AR-10/15 type weapons and one hand gun in the 2 rooms.

Back at his two residences he had

8 9mm semi automatic pistols
6 AR-15s
2 AK47s
6 shot guns, semi auto and pump
5.7mm semi automatic pistol
S&W .357 revolver.

Obviously he left his 6 shotguns and 9 pistols at home as not needed apart from taking one pistol to end it all. He planned this meticulously. He also took 4 laptops, 2 plugged into a surveillance system, 2 backup ( including one for spare parts) DIY drills and kit to board up approaches, 2.5 pairs of gloves, a breathing tube for defence against gas attack etc etc.

His car when they found it contained

20x2 pound containers of exploding targets.
10x1 pound containers of exploding targets.
2x20 pound bags of explosive precursors.
Polymer 25 round AR-10 .308/7.62 magazines (loaded).
Polymer 40 round AR-15 .223/5.56 magazines (loaded).
Boxed ammunition.
Suitcases, towels.

And yet after all that people in the USA are saying he was a

PATSY

and the real killers got away.



He must be the most well armed patsy in the history of mankind. Lee Harvey just had one rifle when he was a patsy.....

Such is progress in the new millenium.

[Gandahar]

turbomoped said:

I would suggest the reason they have said nothing is they know the answers.
Look at our marathon of terrorism this year. Bugger all said about them although as they came so soon after each other its probably a bit of a struggle to put out a coherent story.
Interesting that Vegas shooter had an asian girlfriend in a country with a massive problem with racism of late. I bet he was party to many conversations with people unaware of this the last few years.
Obviously thats no way to react unless you are nuts.
Our westminister attacker was an englishman and grew up in a idyllic kent setting. What events changed him in
his early life? Bit of local harrasment as he was left to his own devices once the family moved away?
Goes a bit nuts and is easy fodder for the isis recruiters.

Utter rubbush playing on racist fears. Go rethink or else just go. Somewhere else.

Rather than this poppycock, it turned out that rather than being influenced by his girlfriend to become some wannabe Islamic jihadist he was just a middle to late aged white male who had no political influences but when he did something he did it to the max, as per past hobby's.

He was a bit of a loner both family wise and relationship wise. He got the "Thai bride" but then seems to have lost interest. Sent her out of the country and sent money out there whilst planning it as some sort of redemption for what was about to happen.

A man who plays video poker until 5am in the morning is not ISIS material. Playing that all night long probably got him thinking about life I guess though. Another spin of the wheel....

The interesting thing is what turned him onto going out with a bang rather than just fading away to obscurity. He has lost a lot of money, but still had lots left. But he suddenly decided to change course, sadly. We will never know.

What we do know is that there is no need to sex this up with a second gunman. He did enough damage on his own that night wildly firing into a crowd before the bell tolled and he shot himself.

A journey for madman.