18 year old electrician paying the tuition fees of 'toffs'
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MartG said:
Like many things the Tories are against, the benefit of free education to whatever level a student is capable of shows up in diverse ways throughout society - overall an educated population is more productive and capable of making advances. Globally, having an ignorant population is a massive economic disadvantage.
Unfortunately the Tories are unable to comprehend anything which does not give an immediate financial benefit, preferably to themselves
An invalid and ignorant generalisation. Well done!Unfortunately the Tories are unable to comprehend anything which does not give an immediate financial benefit, preferably to themselves
MartG said:
Like many things the Tories are against, the benefit of free education to whatever level a student is capable of shows up in diverse ways throughout society - overall an educated population is more productive and capable of making advances. Globally, having an ignorant population is a massive economic disadvantage.
Unfortunately the Tories are unable to comprehend anything which does not give an immediate financial benefit, preferably to themselves
Lot of hate for the Tories, let us not forget that the Lib Dems were also in favour.Unfortunately the Tories are unable to comprehend anything which does not give an immediate financial benefit, preferably to themselves
h.Haha. I notice the resident lefties on here were the first to whip out their qualifications. I think just like Two-Jags Prescott they secretly like what they loathe. It might explain the bile towards JRM as well? I'm not his biggest fan but he doesn't annoy me like he does to the lefties ..
Breadvan72 said:
Many (not all) of those people who are having the nice time will end up paying the taxes that provide schools and healthcare for less high earners.
I know this is the theory but I look at my freinds and peers (I'm 27) and so many of them are barely earning enough to chip at their loans (with a 6.1% interest rate). I dread to think how the more recent cohorts will get on with £50k on their backs.Obviously those who had a bit of foresight in their teens (or were at least advised well) and chose their degrees carefully are doing fine, they will pay their loan off and plenty of tax beside. The other significant portion who studied 'film' or 'criminology' or some such degree (in their hundreds of thousands) left university and started at the bottom of the job ladder. They are now in a situation where they're behind those who just started working when they left school.
I also know the theory that these popular but not that useful degrees help to subsidise the likes of the engineering and science departments, which are much more expensive to run. That doesn't seem like fair justification to me.
I spend a lot of time thinking about this and have a lot of I RECKONs but realisitcally I'm at work right now... if I get started I might not stop.
Edited by SamR380 on Tuesday 3rd October 10:48
Edited by SamR380 on Tuesday 3rd October 11:07
Breadvan72 said:
Sorry mate, you are a toff in the eyes of the PH massive. I am endlessly told that I am basically Lord Snooty's posher brother, because I know how to spell "verisimilitude".
BV72, MA Hons (Oxon). Builder's son.
(PS: You can tell that Eddie only got a second because he is crap at aspostrophes.)
Ball's.BV72, MA Hons (Oxon). Builder's son.
(PS: You can tell that Eddie only got a second because he is crap at aspostrophes.)
Breadvan72 said:
Over on a nearby thread where income disparity is being discussed, someone said words to the effect "I don't care about what anyone else gets. I care only about my own income", and there's the problem of conservative thought writ large.
This sounds like a lack of envy (the quotation) which is hardly a problem.Apart from that, there's a nearby thread which carries this post, one of your more Laboured
attempts at superiority.Breadvan72 said:
"It's", not "its", and "principle", not "principal". One good thing about being a lefty is that you are rarely jealous of the linguistic prowess of the typical PH righty. There seems to be something about expressing conservative views on the internet and inability to spell, punctuate, or use grammar. Maybe it's something to do with all those posh schools that us chippy plebs are so jealous of.
However...Breadvan72 said:
The love that Corbyn and also some trad labour voters have for Brexit are rather different, and in the case of the latter the love is much less optimistic.
Right second time, unfortunately the first time Left a lot to be desired, given you're posting from such a lofty position.SamR380 said:
Pothole said:
SamR380 said:
As a lefty,
I hate
Hmmmm.I hate
* Go to university and remember (or mis-remember) Edmund Burke stuff 33 years later.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 3rd October 11:02
Breadvan72 said:
Eddie Strohacker said:
For the record. Passing A Levels & applying to university is not the definition of a 'Toff'.
Eddie Strohacker, Ba (Hons) 2:1, Builders son.
Sorry mate, you are a toff in the eyes of the PH massive. I am endlessly told that I am basically Lord Snooty's posher brother, because I know how to spell "verisimilitude". Eddie Strohacker, Ba (Hons) 2:1, Builders son.
BV72, MA Hons (Oxon). Builder's son.
(PS: You can tell that Eddie only got a second because he is crap at aspostrophes.)
turbobloke said:
Apart from that, there's a nearby thread which carries this post, one of your more Laboured attempts at superiority.
Apart from being as puritanically humour/irony immune as ever, you miss the point, as you habitually do. One of the lines of polarisation in modern debate is that between those who are educated and those who are not . Education does not confer superiority, but education is a great liberator, and one of the things that it often (not always) liberates people from the bleak mental prison called conservative thinking. Sadly, even education misses a few. attempts at superiority.Breadvan72 said:
"It's", not "its", and "principle", not "principal". One good thing about being a lefty is that you are rarely jealous of the linguistic prowess of the typical PH righty. There seems to be something about expressing conservative views on the internet and inability to spell, punctuate, or use grammar. Maybe it's something to do with all those posh schools that us chippy plebs are so jealous of.
If I was a Tory politician, would I want the population to be well educated? I would not. Can you figure out why that might be?
Breadvan72 said:
turbobloke said:
Apart from that, there's a nearby thread which carries this post, one of your more Laboured attempts at superiority.
Apart from being as puritanically humour/irony immune as ever, you miss the point, as you habitually do. One of the lines of polarisation in modern debate is that between those who are educated and those who are not . Education does not confer superiority, but education is a great liberator, and one of the things that it often (not always) liberates people from the bleak mental prison called conservative thinking. Sadly, even education misses a few. attempts at superiority.Breadvan72 said:
"It's", not "its", and "principle", not "principal". One good thing about being a lefty is that you are rarely jealous of the linguistic prowess of the typical PH righty. There seems to be something about expressing conservative views on the internet and inability to spell, punctuate, or use grammar. Maybe it's something to do with all those posh schools that us chippy plebs are so jealous of.
If I was a Tory politician, would I want the population to be well educated. I would not. Can you figure out why that might be?
Look at the rest of that post (mine). You've either missed the point, or you're hoping it will go away if you ignore it and insult somebody else by way of a diversion.
Well played! The love you have for other PHers are (sic) notable.
Isn't the crux of the problem here the rediculous level the government decided a degree costs per year? If it were realistic people wouldn't have such an issue. £9000 x 15 on a degree let's say (because really if you can't get 15 people there isn't the demand) that's £135,000 per year per class! How much is a lecturer on again? Some degrees would have a lot more than 15.
turbobloke said:
Breadvan72 said:
Over on a nearby thread where income disparity is being discussed, someone said words to the effect "I don't care about what anyone else gets. I care only about my own income", and there's the problem of conservative thought writ large.
This sounds like a lack of envy (the quotation) which is hardly a problem.Breadvan72 said:
May shows her true colours, just as he did with her citizens of nowhere blah. Like Thatcher, whom she palely imitates, May struggles to grasp the concept of society. Most conservatives that I know appear to be only capable of thinking of the welfare of their families and circle of friends and maybe their immediate community, and seem unable to give a toss about anyone beyond that. Over on a nearby thread where income disparity is being discussed, someone said words to the effect "I don't care about what anyone else gets. I care only about my own income", and there's the problem of conservative thought writ large
If this is the thread I'm thinking of, you've quoted that a bit out of context here I feel. The original poster was stating that he wasn't bothered about other people earning more than he did, so long as he earned sufficiently himself. Not really the same message as you've implied here......Edited by Breadvan72 on Tuesday 3rd October 10:23
BoRED S2upid said:
Isn't the crux of the problem here the rediculous level the government decided a degree costs per year? If it were realistic people wouldn't have such an issue. £9000 x 15 on a degree let's say (because really if you can't get 15 people there isn't the demand) that's £135,000 per year per class! How much is a lecturer on again? Some degrees would have a lot more than 15.
Erm ...., you do realise that running a university involves a bit more than just paying a few lecturers, er, don't you? Most universities would not be able to function only on the fee income received from students. They rely also on various business activities, on benefactions from alumni and others, and on direct subsidy. Buildings, labs, libraries, IT systems, security, admin, and so on - all those things cost lots.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 3rd October 11:09
Breadvan72 said:
Yet again, point missed by a parsec or two. Envy is not the issue (Only lefties have envy, remember? Do keep up.). I am alright Jackism is the issue.
I think there is a great deal of envy from "the right"They seem to spend a great deal of time keeping wages low for a certain type of worker. Why would they do this?
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