More Dubai craziness
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DurianIceCream said:
I see you have a family in the UAE.
I see also that women, under UAE law, are regarded as less credible witnesses than men.
So if your wife were to be raped, you would be OK with her going to jail for sex outside of marriage. "Break the law and you'd expect to be punished, No?"
She wouldn't actually be raped under UAE law, because she would be unable to prove she was raped. She would just have had sex outside of marriage. Jail for her.
Again, for the hard of reading....It is not against the law to be a victim of rape...we both know that, so please do better.I see also that women, under UAE law, are regarded as less credible witnesses than men.
So if your wife were to be raped, you would be OK with her going to jail for sex outside of marriage. "Break the law and you'd expect to be punished, No?"
She wouldn't actually be raped under UAE law, because she would be unable to prove she was raped. She would just have had sex outside of marriage. Jail for her.
Chilli said:
Again, for the hard of reading....It is not against the law to be a victim of rape...we both know that, so please do better.
It is unlawful in the UAE to have sex outside of marriage. So if your wife were to be raped,name the attacker then report it to the police but the police were unable to prove rape, then she would be jailed. Given the lower standard afforded to witness statements of women compared with men, then proving rape is more difficult in the UAE compared to typical western countries. So if somebody were to rape your wife, then there is a good chance she would not be able to prove it was rape, so she would be jailed and your wife would be an adulterous. But she would not have been raped.DurianIceCream said:
It is unlawful in the UAE to have sex outside of marriage. So if your wife were to be raped,name the attacker then report it to the police but the police were unable to prove rape, then she would be jailed. Given the lower standard afforded to witness statements of women compared with men, then proving rape is more difficult in the UAE compared to typical western countries. So if somebody were to rape your wife, then there is a good chance she would not be able to prove it was rape, so she would be jailed and your wife would be an adulterous. But she would not have been raped.
That's just not true, is it? Are you seriously suggesting that a lady in the feds office will be forced to prove it, and if she couldn't she would be jailed? Without referring to some load of old pants in the Daily Mail, how do you know this? To believe the feds here are so devoid of either morals, respect, or even intelligence is not common place, and what you seem to have based a criminal conviction.Remember, there have been accounts of sex outside of marriage here, where people have been busted (generally smashed-up tourists, thinking they are in Magaluf, showing complete disregard for the law) and then go on to suggest they didn't realise what was going on, etc and forcing it through the courts. Not suggesting for a minute this happened to the aforementioned victim, but it does happen.
I'm actually tiring of this now. Again, some people will argue with their reflection. Others will enjoy trying to jump on the bandwagon of others opinions, incapable of forming their own. I get that, but I can't carry on not today...it's my sons birthday. I'm actually on my 3rd beer...should have the feds knocking on the door any minute to cart me off.
Just bear in mind, there is always 2 sides to a story. The guy who "touched" another guy on the hip, and did nothing else...Rubbish. The biker who had absolutely nothing to do with his wifes death....rubbish again....most of the crap that you read in the Daily Mail....again.
Yes there are mis-carriages of justice....like there is everywhere in the world....but that's irrelevant isn't it?
I'm signing off.
Chilli said:
Are you seriously suggesting that a lady in the feds office will be forced to prove it, and if she couldn't she would be jailed?
Yes. That is not what I am suggesting, that is what happens. There are multiple, well documented cases where a woman is raped and she is either married herself or is raped by a married man and is then jailed for adultery.
Here is a statement of this fact, not from the Daily Mail, but from the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade - a government department well aware of the ciminalizing of rape victims given an Australian woman was jailed for 8 months after being raped in Dubai. "Sex outside of marriage, and homosexual acts, are illegal. Victims of sexual assault may face criminal prosecution rather than being considered the victim of a crime. Some sexual assault victims have been imprisoned after reporting an incident to local police or upon seeking medical assistance."
I think everyone agress there are injustices in dubai and their legal system is differnt to what we are used to here.
Is it not point here that if you enter into Dubai / Middle East then you do it Caveat Emptor. All these cases that are highlighted in this thread absolutley show that ther is sharia law in the country and if you get into a bad situation those laws will be used against you. Therfore when you step foot in the country you take the risk of those laws being used against you. Its well documented that thi is how things are in the middle east.
At the same time it must be recognised that this is not wholly exclussive of just this region and religion which people love to point out in the veiled comments. When myself or my freinds visit Thailand I go with the knowledge that never get into an argument with the locals as I know that outcome will only end up one way. Numerous cases of behaviour of Thai men and women ending up in totally messed up situations where there is not much they can do. If i get into a motor vehicle accident I also know that the outcome will go against me- Is all of this fair? Absoloutley not but i make that concious decision and evaluate that risk reward when visiting these places. Many examples from all continents that this goes on.
People love to get on their high horse and feel superior because they are allowed to act a certain way in one country but when stopped in another place it becomes a backward place. If you dont agree with it then fine but i dont feels it gives a right to say we are better than them because we allow certain things they dont - its just a different way of life... ( and no i am not saying raping women is a way of life and accept it- everyone including the goverment recognises this is wrong - it just some people can get away with things that tohers wouldnt be able to )
Is it not point here that if you enter into Dubai / Middle East then you do it Caveat Emptor. All these cases that are highlighted in this thread absolutley show that ther is sharia law in the country and if you get into a bad situation those laws will be used against you. Therfore when you step foot in the country you take the risk of those laws being used against you. Its well documented that thi is how things are in the middle east.
At the same time it must be recognised that this is not wholly exclussive of just this region and religion which people love to point out in the veiled comments. When myself or my freinds visit Thailand I go with the knowledge that never get into an argument with the locals as I know that outcome will only end up one way. Numerous cases of behaviour of Thai men and women ending up in totally messed up situations where there is not much they can do. If i get into a motor vehicle accident I also know that the outcome will go against me- Is all of this fair? Absoloutley not but i make that concious decision and evaluate that risk reward when visiting these places. Many examples from all continents that this goes on.
People love to get on their high horse and feel superior because they are allowed to act a certain way in one country but when stopped in another place it becomes a backward place. If you dont agree with it then fine but i dont feels it gives a right to say we are better than them because we allow certain things they dont - its just a different way of life... ( and no i am not saying raping women is a way of life and accept it- everyone including the goverment recognises this is wrong - it just some people can get away with things that tohers wouldnt be able to )
Edited by fizz47 on Tuesday 24th October 12:30
Chilli said:
La Liga said:
Chilli said:
La Liga said:
Stupid women having sex outside of marriage.
At least they'll take comfort knowing there won't be kids hanging around the local supermarket! I've heard that's most effective closure.
You actually took time to post that?At least they'll take comfort knowing there won't be kids hanging around the local supermarket! I've heard that's most effective closure.
Sex outside of marriage is against the law here....its that simple. Break the law and you'd expect to be punished, No?
Praps you and breadvan can exchange notes for the next post...
I guess not so I'll be a more literal. Rape victims are sometimes seen as offenders and my sarcastic comment was mocking the perverse inversion of victim / offender.
And if I were to swap notes about legal matters, I could do worse given he has a little experience in law.
fizz47 said:
People love to get on their high horse and feel superior because they are allowed to act a certain way in one country but when stopped in another place it becomes a backward place. If you dont agree with it then fine but i dont feels it gives a right to say we are better than them because we allow certain things they dont - its just a different way of life...
It depends what the differences are. If they are things like criminalising gay people, inequality in law, not allowing people to have sex outside marriage, then I think we certainly have a right to suggest we're better than them in those respects. DurianIceCream said:
Only if you get raped, you are no longer beneath the radar.
So you end up in jail.
This Australian woman was jailed for 8 months after being raped in Dubai. She is one of many - there are multiple instances of women being jailed or arrested after being raped in Dubai.
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2013/05/13/horrifying...
Like I said, I like countries like Iran a lot better. Iran doesn't pretend to be civilised and don't promote an image of being tourist friendly.
disgusting country, wouldn't go there on principal So you end up in jail.
This Australian woman was jailed for 8 months after being raped in Dubai. She is one of many - there are multiple instances of women being jailed or arrested after being raped in Dubai.
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2013/05/13/horrifying...
Like I said, I like countries like Iran a lot better. Iran doesn't pretend to be civilised and don't promote an image of being tourist friendly.
Chilli said:
...I'm signing off.
Presented with facts that disturb your cosy world, you bail out. Women who complain of rape in Dubai are liable to be jailed, and several have been. Sharia requires them to produce several witnesses to prove rape. This they usually cannot so, and bear in mind that a woman's evidence is always given less weight than a man's under this so called legal system. This isn't Daily Mail stuff - it's what happens, and is widely reported by reputable news sources worldwide.i seen a load of adverts on my facebook a while ago advertising dubai as a holiday destination, cant remember what company. But i thought they should really have a disclaimer at the end of the advert warning it may not be ideal for gay couples.
My personal view is i only go there to change flights and straight back out.
My personal view is i only go there to change flights and straight back out.
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People love to get on their high horse and feel superior because they are allowed to act a certain way in one country but when stopped in another place it becomes a backward place. If you dont agree with it then fine but i dont feels it gives a right to say we are better than them because we allow certain things they dont - its just a different way of life... ( and no i am not saying raping women is a way of life and accept it- everyone including the goverment recognises this is wrong - it just some people can get away with things that tohers wouldnt be able to )
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spot on - and because of this I choose not to spend my money in countries like these.
People love to get on their high horse and feel superior because they are allowed to act a certain way in one country but when stopped in another place it becomes a backward place. If you dont agree with it then fine but i dont feels it gives a right to say we are better than them because we allow certain things they dont - its just a different way of life... ( and no i am not saying raping women is a way of life and accept it- everyone including the goverment recognises this is wrong - it just some people can get away with things that tohers wouldnt be able to )
Edited by fizz47 on Tuesday 24th October 12:30
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spot on - and because of this I choose not to spend my money in countries like these.
Chilli said:
That's nonsense. Just like the time where the motorbike rider (forget his name) was locked up (whilst investigations were carried out) here after his wife died after falling off a balcony....The PH masses ( I was actually one of them and offered my help), were outraged that "medieval Dubai" has done it again....whereas in fact the feds found her blood all over the place in their hotel room...etc....and he was arrested the minute he stepped foot back in the UK....no idea what happened next though.
Piqued my interest....Dubai police: eventually allowed to go home after 6 months, ruled suicide, no suspicious circumstances
Surrey Police: NFA in 2016 (not sure what they could actually have done though):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-355280...
But before that, he was jailed for 28 days for breaching a Domestic Violence Protection Order, then jailed for a further 3 months for an assault on a girlfriend (it's not clear if it's the same person as the previous incident):
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2015/march/form...
"They were eating dinner, she was eating quickly as she was hungry. They had a difference of opinion about her manner of eating. She said he grabbed her around the neck with one hand and hit her in the face."
edit: Much more detail here - seems it was the same person, she's 20 years younger and described as "vulnerable". I can understand why Surrey Police left the case of the death of his wife open so long...
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/superb...
Edited by Gareth79 on Tuesday 24th October 23:34
Breadvan72 said:
Presented with facts that disturb your cosy world, you bail out. Women who complain of rape in Dubai are liable to be jailed, and several have been.
To be fair to Chili, he's probably just been stocking up on bulk purchases of Emirates Cola at the local Emirati Tesco, undisturbed by any riff-raff, whilst contemplating what DVD he can watch which will still make sense with all the juicy scenes censored out. When confronted with the news that if he slacks off at work a bit his and his Emirati colleagues violate his backside as a bit of payback, instead of them being arrested and punished, Chili himself will end up being arrested, banged up for months, lose his job, then be deported. This kind of news could send anyone into denial. DurianIceCream said:
To be fair to Chili, he's probably just been stocking up on bulk purchases of Emirates Cola at the local Emirati Tesco, undisturbed by any riff-raff, whilst contemplating what DVD he can watch which will still make sense with all the juicy scenes censored out. When confronted with the news that if he slacks off at work a bit his and his Emirati colleagues violate his backside as a bit of payback, instead of them being arrested and punished, Chili himself will end up being arrested, banged up for months, lose his job, then be deported. This kind of news could send anyone into denial.
Back to school next week?
Gareth79 said:
Piqued my interest....
Dubai police: eventually allowed to go home after 6 months, ruled suicide, no suspicious circumstances
Surrey Police: NFA in 2016 (not sure what they could actually have done though):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-355280...
But before that, he was jailed for 28 days for breaching a Domestic Violence Protection Order, then jailed for a further 3 months for an assault on a girlfriend (it's not clear if it's the same person as the previous incident):
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2015/march/form...
"They were eating dinner, she was eating quickly as she was hungry. They had a difference of opinion about her manner of eating. She said he grabbed her around the neck with one hand and hit her in the face."
edit: Much more detail here - seems it was the same person, she's 20 years younger and described as "vulnerable".
The very next paragraph from the link you quoted suggests it was his next girlfriend. Dubai police: eventually allowed to go home after 6 months, ruled suicide, no suspicious circumstances
Surrey Police: NFA in 2016 (not sure what they could actually have done though):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-355280...
But before that, he was jailed for 28 days for breaching a Domestic Violence Protection Order, then jailed for a further 3 months for an assault on a girlfriend (it's not clear if it's the same person as the previous incident):
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2015/march/form...
"They were eating dinner, she was eating quickly as she was hungry. They had a difference of opinion about her manner of eating. She said he grabbed her around the neck with one hand and hit her in the face."
edit: Much more detail here - seems it was the same person, she's 20 years younger and described as "vulnerable".
“Emmett’s jailing is the latest in a turbulent few years for the former racer whose new wife fell to her death from their honeymoon hotel in Dubai just days after they were married”.
Sounds a lovely man.
Fast and Spurious said:
DurianIceCream said:
To be fair to Chili, he's probably just been stocking up on bulk purchases of Emirates Cola at the local Emirati Tesco, undisturbed by any riff-raff, whilst contemplating what DVD he can watch which will still make sense with all the juicy scenes censored out. When confronted with the news that if he slacks off at work a bit his and his Emirati colleagues violate his backside as a bit of payback, instead of them being arrested and punished, Chili himself will end up being arrested, banged up for months, lose his job, then be deported. This kind of news could send anyone into denial.
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