More Dubai craziness

[anonymous-user]

Why? Alicia Gali was raped. She was imprisoned. If that doesn't bother you, fine. It bothers her.

[Chilli]

Breadvan72 said:

Why? Alicia Gali was raped. She was imprisoned. If that doesn't bother you, fine. It bothers her.

Was she convicted of being raped?

[anonymous-user]

She was convicted of having sex outside marriage after she was drug-raped by a gang of men in a planned attack. She lacked the four witnesses required by Sharia "law", in which a woman's testimony is not equal to that of a man. Any society that operates such a system is not a civilised society. The UK has the problem of Tresco yobs and other problems, but it is a civilised society nonetheless.

Criminalisation of rape victims is common in Gulf states.

[anonymous-user]

Perhaps Australians don't count, but here's a Brit -

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-eas...

She was lucky, as she was only jailed for five days and was able to go home after that.

[anonymous-user]

Similarly, UAE jailed a Norwegian woman, and Qatar a Dutch woman. Making a complaint of rape in these places may not be a great idea.

Quite often, the local autocrat will step in and release the "offender", but not until after she has been arrested, tried, and imprisoned.

[anonymous-user]

Stupid women having sex outside of marriage.

At least they'll take comfort knowing there won't be kids hanging around the local supermarket! I've heard that's most effective closure.

[DurianIceCream]

Colonial said:

Funkycoldribena said:

Not even remotely comparable.
Utter ridiculous nonsense.

Tough on crime. Tough on the causes of crime.

You should be all over it like a rash. You've got a lot more in common with medieval beliefs than most people in the UK.

Yeah mate, I'm real tough on women who choose to be raped. They belong in jail.

And gays, they belong in jail.

An people outside of marriage who have sex. They sure do belong in jail.

And people who drink achohol, they belong in jail too.

[DurianIceCream]

If you suspect your spouse is sleeping around, you can phone up the police in Dubai... and have them jailed. I guess that cracks down in extra-marital sex. If course if you aren't married and have sex, you can also be jailed but hey ho.

If you are a foreigner and have consensual sex..... you get jailed. Do you see a pattern here?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...

[poo at Paul's]

shirt said:

'Law'

No one cares, certainly not the authorities. Only if you do something stupid then these laws will be used against you.

That's just not true, chap. In my case, all I did "wrong" was step in to help two women who had been drugged and were being raped. Unless you call having a single G and T served by the same bar, a bar in a hotel in which I was staying, is "doing something stupid". This is an Emirate owned hotel with a feature bar serving alcohol, remember.
In hindsight, yes, it leaves you open to the massive corruption that is rife there, so perhaps that is stupid, but in no way was I looking for trouble that evening or "doing anything stupid".
Many may spend time there, holiday there, work there etc, and have no issues, but don't think that just because you don't, that such things don't go on. They really do. And the perverseness and absurdity of it all really does highlight that a local man can act rather horrifically toward a visitor or non local, particularly female ones, and have a huge amount of protection afforded toward them.

[Oakey]

I don't know why you're all arguing with these guys that live there, one even admitted "it's best not to draw attention to yourself" so clearly they're going to tell you everything is rosy with a st eating grin on their face in fear that if they don't toe the line they'll be dragged out of their apartments in the night.

Here's what another poster said 2 years ago;

Asterix said:

Agreed - here in Dubai I know that everything is monitored. They know exactly what I email, post and say. We know the phones are monitored even when they just sit there on my desk.

[Chilli]

Breadvan72 said:

She was convicted of having sex outside marriage after she was drug-raped by a gang of men in a planned attack. She lacked the four witnesses required by Sharia "law", in which a woman's testimony is not equal to that of a man. Any society that operates such a system is not a civilised society. The UK has the problem of Tresco yobs and other problems, but it is a civilised society nonetheless.

Criminalisation of rape victims is common in Gulf states.

Ok, understood.
So, pwrhaps we are not party to all of the facts, or the judge simply didn't believe the story, OR this was a disgusting miscarriage of justice.
Either way, you'll agree that your generalisation that you are jailed for being raped is actually not true....which was one of your original statements.
Subsequent reference to other gulf states is irrelevant, that's not what we are talking about....and your continuous reference to Tesco yobs is becoming tedious...grow up.

Happy to debate the pros and cons, but it's simply impossible when you have a concrete opinion that you will defend with distortion.

[Chilli]

Oakey said:

I don't know why you're all arguing with these guys that live there, one even admitted "it's best not to draw attention to yourself" so clearly they're going to tell you everything is rosy with a st eating grin on their face in fear that if they don't toe the line they'll be dragged out of their apartments in the night.

Here's what another poster said 2 years ago;

Asterix said:

Agreed - here in Dubai I know that everything is monitored. They know exactly what I email, post and say. We know the phones are monitored even when they just sit there on my desk.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I disagree.

[Chilli]

La Liga said:

Stupid women having sex outside of marriage.

At least they'll take comfort knowing there won't be kids hanging around the local supermarket! I've heard that's most effective closure.

You actually took time to post that?
Sex outside of marriage is against the law here....its that simple. Break the law and you'd expect to be punished, No?

Praps you and breadvan can exchange notes for the next post...

[Oakey]

Chilli said:

You actually took time to post that?
Sex outside of marriage is against the law here....its that simple. Break the law and you'd expect to be punished, No?

Praps you and breadvan can exchange notes for the next post...

So if a woman is raped, and she makes a complaint, and she's then charged for having sex outside of marriage, do you concede she's being prosecuted for being raped?

[anonymous-user]

Chilli said:

La Liga said:

Stupid women having sex outside of marriage.

At least they'll take comfort knowing there won't be kids hanging around the local supermarket! I've heard that's most effective closure.

You actually took time to post that?
Sex outside of marriage is against the law here....its that simple. Break the law and you'd expect to be punished, No?

Praps you and breadvan can exchange notes for the next post...

I felt the the examples BV provided immediately prior to my post were a suitable hint as to what I was getting at.

I guess not so I'll be a more literal. Rape victims are sometimes seen as offenders and my sarcastic comment was mocking the perverse inversion of victim / offender.

And if I were to swap notes about legal matters, I could do worse given he has a little experience in law.

[DurianIceCream]

Chilli said:

You actually took time to post that?
Sex outside of marriage is against the law here....its that simple. Break the law and you'd expect to be punished, No?

Praps you and breadvan can exchange notes for the next post...

I see you have a family in the UAE.

I see also that women, under UAE law, are regarded as less credible witnesses than men.

So if your wife were to be raped, you would be OK with her going to jail for sex outside of marriage. "Break the law and you'd expect to be punished, No?"

She wouldn't actually be raped under UAE law, because she would be unable to prove she was raped. She would just have had sex outside of marriage. Jail for her.

[Emanresu]

It’s strange how everyone is quick to blame the country rather than a guy who decided to be a drunken yob and argue with the police. If he had behaved in the way he did in say London, he would still have been dragged to the police station and got a day in court.

The uk media rarely reports the full story which leads people to being ill informed about what dubai is actually like.

Rape cases for example, it is rarely as simple as the uk media reports it. I am not condoning rape, I am just saying that if you only read uk newspapers, you will only know half the story.

Here are a few stories (not from us media) which show that the rape in uae is not ok,

https://www.google.ae/amp/m.gulfnews.com/amp/news/...


https://m.khaleejtimes.com/news/crime/gang-of-nine...

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/gulf/2017/02/...

https://www.google.ae/amp/s/www.dawn.com/news/amp/...


But back to the point in hand, why is it ok for someone to be a yob and expect it to be brushed under the carpet? Why can’t people accept he did something wrong and got punished rather than trying to avoid the topic by bringing other cases into it?

[DurianIceCream]

Emanresu said:

It’s strange how everyone is quick to blame the country rather than a guy who decided to be a drunken yob and argue with the police. If he had behaved in the way he did in say London, he would still have been dragged to the police station and got a day in court.

The uk media rarely reports the full story which leads people to being ill informed about what dubai is actually like.

Rape cases for example, it is rarely as simple as the uk media reports it. I am not condoning rape, I am just saying that if you only read uk newspapers, you will only know half the story.

Here are a few stories (not from us media) which show that the rape in uae is not ok,

https://www.google.ae/amp/m.gulfnews.com/amp/news/...


https://m.khaleejtimes.com/news/crime/gang-of-nine...

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/gulf/2017/02/...

https://www.google.ae/amp/s/www.dawn.com/news/amp/...


But back to the point in hand, why is it ok for someone to be a yob and expect it to be brushed under the carpet? Why can’t people accept he did something wrong and got punished rather than trying to avoid the topic by bringing other cases into it?

Nobody has implied that the perpertrators of rape are not punished. In the case of the raped women who are jailed for sex outside of marriage, their rapists are also jailed for sex outside of marriage. What could be fairer than that?

[Chilli]

La Liga said:

Chilli said:

La Liga said:

Stupid women having sex outside of marriage.

At least they'll take comfort knowing there won't be kids hanging around the local supermarket! I've heard that's most effective closure.

You actually took time to post that?
Sex outside of marriage is against the law here....its that simple. Break the law and you'd expect to be punished, No?

Praps you and breadvan can exchange notes for the next post...

I felt the the examples BV provided immediately prior to my post were a suitable hint as to what I was getting at.

I guess not so I'll be a more literal. Rape victims are sometimes seen as offenders and my sarcastic comment was mocking the perverse inversion of victim / offender.

And if I were to swap notes about legal matters, I could do worse given he has a little experience in law.

You think this subject is funny?

[Chilli]

Oakey said:

So if a woman is raped, and she makes a complaint, and she's then charged for having sex outside of marriage, do you concede she's being prosecuted for being raped?

Of course....IF she was raped. But is that what happened here? And if so, you are able to prove that, right?