Transgender passports

[bitchstewie]

Ari said:

If people think that their lives will some how be better ascribing to one of a now range of 'genders' like they're supporting a football team, crack on, no harm done.

If it does make someone's life better, so long as it doesn't make yours any worse, where's the issue?

[Randy Winkman]

popeyewhite said:

Most women i know (a lot of whom box and follow other male past tines but wouldn't hesitate to mark themselves down fully as X) get annoyed by it . I think they lead busy lives with jobs, children etc and see this as self-absorbed rubbish that the current trend is to give in to. They don't waste their time thinking about it much because they're wise enough to know that something else just as superficial will be along soon.

Thanks. I guess the point is that nobody I hang around with seems to care about this sort of stuff. But the one internet forum I look at is mostly used by men.

[Tankrizzo]

Ari said:

And again with the insults. How very predictable.

Just ignore it, it freely admits it only joined PH to wind people up on NPE. It doesn't post anywhere else.

[Driller]

Ziplobb said:

This issue seems to be manifesting itself in the UK right now but how it is in other parts of the world ? It's going to be a struggle to get off a plane in a large percentage of the worlds airports and try to enter that country without being male or female - it's not going to end well in some places

I've been asking acquaintances male and female about this in France since seeing it all kick off in the news in the AngloSaxon world.

Systematically they all reply with the French equivalent of WTF?! if that helps.

[popeyewhite]

Randy Winkman said:

Thanks. I guess the point is that nobody I hang around with seems to care about this sort of stuff. But the one internet forum I look at is mostly used by men.

There is always a staunch defence on here for this sort of stuff, but this isn't reflective of the real world. As with a number of similar recent issues most people just shake their heads, think "Oh, honestly", and wonder why the legislature gives in every time to rubbish like this. Because there's a very vocal minority that people are scared of offending is the answer.

[Rostfritt]

paranoid airbag said:

Saying "it's common sense" in a sociological or political argument is probably a tacit admission you've got nothing.

That is quite a good point.

In my opinion, there is no reason for a passport to say what sex you are. I just had to check and it does say sex and not gender. It is just one thing that may at some point need to be changed by somebody or one thing that might accidentally be recorded incorrectly. I would not be surprised if there was a country that never had gender in there in the first place, in the same way that in some places they might record your hair or eye colour. Passports are to identify who you are, if you identify as male, it should say M, if you identify as female, F and there should be something for anyone in between or nothing at all. If that is going to cause issues, then take it off, it already has your picture.

Same in real life, if you don't know if someone is male or female, is there any reason you might actually need to know? If so then ask, if not then it is their business and not yours.

[gregs656]

Ari said:

Just change the tick box on passports etc from 'gender' to 'sex' and everyone's happy.

This suggests you don't already know that the passport box is 'sex', or really understand what is being asked for and why.

[Timbergiant]

Looks like this thread has attracted the anti snowflake brigade.
Let’s face it, if someone is going from one sex to the other, at some point their passport is going to make them appear to be suspicious, documents say X buy you dress Y or more depending upon surgery.
In pub terms, if Terry goes to Thailand to get a sex change HE won’t be returning but the authorities may see a problem with Theresa trying to travel using Terry’s passport.

I can’t see how this is such a bit thing.

[jjlynn27]

Ari said:

jjlynn27 said:

I'm not at all surprised that you are 'left wondering' how to talk to women. Not surprised at all.

And again with the insults. How very predictable.

It should be predictable, they are your words. Given your posts, I'm not surprised. Where was the insult?

[jshell]

Randy Winkman said:

popeyewhite said:

Most women i know (a lot of whom box and follow other male past tines but wouldn't hesitate to mark themselves down fully as X) get annoyed by it . I think they lead busy lives with jobs, children etc and see this as self-absorbed rubbish that the current trend is to give in to. They don't waste their time thinking about it much because they're wise enough to know that something else just as superficial will be along soon.

Thanks. I guess the point is that nobody I hang around with seems to care about this sort of stuff. But the one internet forum I look at is mostly used by men.

I've had this discussion with the mothers of the kids at an all girls school. They think it's a load of nonsense too in the majority of cases and the point in note I made above about the council inspector resulted in some very posh 'WTF's'!

[amusingduck]

jjlynn27 said:

Ari said:

jjlynn27 said:

I'm not at all surprised that you are 'left wondering' how to talk to women. Not surprised at all.

And again with the insults. How very predictable.

It should be predictable, they are your words. Given your posts, I'm not surprised. Where was the insult?

Gee, maybe it was the part where you twisted his words so that they no longer represented what he actually said, and then flung them back at him in an attempt to demean his character.

But you already knew that

[southendpier]

My daughter is at university. In discussions groups people introduce themselves and are asked what pronoun they want people to use.

her boyfriend at another university showed me a letter he received about a lecture signed by a person who then under their (her) name put their (her) preferred pronoun.

Neither my daughter or her boyfriend think this is necessary.

While we don't notice it on the PH noticeboards it is creeping forward and will become mainstream as people take more and more faux offence.

It is inevitable as it is depressing.

[Funkycoldribena]

southendpier said:

My daughter is at university. In discussions groups people introduce themselves and are asked what pronoun they want people to use.

her boyfriend at another university showed me a letter he received about a lecture signed by a person who then under their (her) name put their (her) preferred pronoun.

Neither my daughter or her boyfriend think this is necessary.

While we don't notice it on the PH noticeboards it is creeping forward and will become mainstream as people take more and more faux offence.

It is inevitable as it is depressing.

University has a lot to answer for.
Indoctrination houses nowadays.

[Randy Winkman]

popeyewhite said:

Randy Winkman said:

Thanks. I guess the point is that nobody I hang around with seems to care about this sort of stuff. But the one internet forum I look at is mostly used by men.

There is always a staunch defence on here for this sort of stuff, but this isn't reflective of the real world. As with a number of similar recent issues most people just shake their heads, think "Oh, honestly", and wonder why the legislature gives in every time to rubbish like this. Because there's a very vocal minority that people are scared of offending is the answer.

Who is being "offended"? The people who want things changed or those that then kick up a fuss because they want things to stay the same? If it's the latter, do you think they want everything to stay the same?

[Mark-C]

Funkycoldribena said:

University has a lot to answer for.
Indoctrination houses nowadays.

They're not - well the one I work at isn't. They are however full of young people who tend to be more ideological about the world than us grizzled old PHers.