Transgender passports
Discussion
Roofless Toothless said:
This website
http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency
tells me that 1 in 100 people born have non standard genitalia, and in 1 in 1500 cases experts have to be called in to determine gender at birth. That means something like 40,000 people in the UK needed this specialist attention
130-140 born a year (out of some 700,000) in the UK according to the DSD charity.http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency
tells me that 1 in 100 people born have non standard genitalia, and in 1 in 1500 cases experts have to be called in to determine gender at birth. That means something like 40,000 people in the UK needed this specialist attention
Roofless Toothless said:
sc0tt said:
I'm not one to get riled over this but surely not.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/41567449/why...
Surely you are a male or a female. Nothing else?
This websitehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/41567449/why...
Surely you are a male or a female. Nothing else?
http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency
tells me that 1 in 100 people born have non standard genitalia, and in 1 in 1500 cases experts have to be called in to determine gender at birth. That means something like 40,000 people in the UK needed this specialist attention. Genetically 1 in 1600 are neither XX or XY.
These are all physiological distinctions of course. As people grow up sexuality becomes subject to non physiological identification of an individual's gender.
That's a lot of people.
Some of the responses above show a lack of awareness of the complexity of human biology.
Mental state/illness is not an identifying feature therefore has no business being on a passport and compromising security to pander to a tiny minority of people with an agenda is unacceptable IMO. If I minced through border control convincingly dressed up as a transvestite (not easy for me I grant) I would damn well hope I'd be stopped and have to prove that I was in fact the person on my passport (i.e. male).
TurboHatchback said:
If I minced through border control convincingly dressed up as a transvestite (not easy for me I grant) I would damn well hope I'd be stopped and have to prove that I was in fact the person on my passport (i.e. male).
Interesting. I, for one, would rather that you'd be definitively able to prove who you are through the use of biometrics in the passport - retina image, fingerprints, DNA etc - but it seems that you'd rather be obliged to get your dick out to prove the same (which, of course, it won't - unless you've got a unique barcode on your dick)Well, whatever floats your boat I suppose.
del mar said:
You are free to identify as you wish, but biologically you are male or female - bar the 0.7%.
I may well be a loser but I identify as a successful individual.
In biology nothing is black and white, there are massive shades of grey. We are a result of gentic mutations so this happens all the time, people born with both penis and vagina , 2 dicks etc.I may well be a loser but I identify as a successful individual.
The problem is most are not educated in such matters, you are told from school there are male and female only types. Well it is proven there is more to that, and up to 2 percent,(plus people who feel trapped in wrong body etc) which is millions of people so it is right the topic should be discussed.
''Some groups use an old prevalence statistic that says we make up 1 in 2000, or .05%, percent of the population, but that statistic refers to one specific intersex trait, ambiguous genitalia, which is but one of many variations which, combined (as they are in medical diagnostics and coding), constitute the 1.7% estimate by esteemed Professor of Biology and Gender Studies, Anne Fausto-Sterling, of Brown University*. A similar, slightly higher, statistic was also reported in, “How Sexually Dimorphic Are We?”, by Blackless, et al, in The American Journal of Human Biology.
“The belief that Homo sapiens is absolutely dimorphic with the respect to sex chromosome composition, gonadal structure, hormone levels, and the structure of the internal genital duct systems and external genitalia, derives from the platonic ideal that for each sex there is a single, universally correct developmental pathway and outcome. We surveyed the medical literature from 1955 to the present for studies of the frequency of deviation from the ideal male or female. We conclude that this frequency may be as high as 2% of live births. The frequency of individuals receiving “corrective” genital surgery, however, probably runs between 1 and 2 per 1,000 live births (0.1–0.2%).” Am. J. Hum. Biol. 12:151–166, 2000. © 2000 Wiley-Liss, Inc.''
Edited by The Spruce goose on Wednesday 11th October 18:42
derektrimblitz said:
I am a Stoat
To be honest this kind of response is what is needed. This whole `trans` thing is getting ridiculous. The last thing I read was some screwball/pervert/lunatic/trend chaser (delete as applicable) decided he was now a woman and as a result was entering female sporting events. Pretty much ruins it for real women (ones that can have babies) as he will have an unfair advantage in the fact that men like him are naturally physically stronger. Could be the death knell for female sport. Then again, if some guy punched him in the face would that be ok?We must however know that feel-good laws like sex changing produce nothing but political pandering and bitter disputes that do more to damage to humanity than they ever will improve.
Edited by bigkeeko on Wednesday 11th October 18:45
bigkeeko said:
We must however know that feel-good laws like sex changing produce nothing but political pandering and bitter disputes that do more to damage to humanity than they ever will improve.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Why do any of you care enough to seemingly get so wound up by something that doesn't impact you at all?
Oh, they're funding the changes are they?My guess is that it will be an option rather than mandatory and the cost (taking into account new passports due to Brexit anyway) will be pretty negligible but once we know it if it seems excessive I'll be the first to agree there are almost certainly higher priorities.
Most of the "wah wah wah" so far hasn't been about cost.
Ari said:
Mia, 28, from Dorset, came out as transgender around two years ago.
She told Newsbeat: "Initially, I identified as non-binary. I didn't see myself as fully female or fully male, I was kind of in the middle.
"Over time, I've become more comfortable with using female to describe myself. But it was very awkward and uncomfortable in that time because there was basically no way to select a gender that felt like mine."
FFS.
What's really bizarre is that he's actually managed to get his passport changed to 'female'! Just because he's decided that that's what he'd like to be now.
This whole 'gender' thing needs scrapping and the term sex using. Male or female.
Gender is a bit like religion - call yourself what you like, be what you want, just don't expect other people to make special allowances for it.
Don't worry about it.She told Newsbeat: "Initially, I identified as non-binary. I didn't see myself as fully female or fully male, I was kind of in the middle.
"Over time, I've become more comfortable with using female to describe myself. But it was very awkward and uncomfortable in that time because there was basically no way to select a gender that felt like mine."
FFS.
What's really bizarre is that he's actually managed to get his passport changed to 'female'! Just because he's decided that that's what he'd like to be now.
This whole 'gender' thing needs scrapping and the term sex using. Male or female.
Gender is a bit like religion - call yourself what you like, be what you want, just don't expect other people to make special allowances for it.
Tryke3 said:
Funkycoldribena said:
We truly are heading down a giant cesspit of bullst correctness.
Why , what is the problem ? How is it affecting you ? If you want to be a flower or a hammer why not.... ffs give it a rest t correctness.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff