Transgender passports
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This "it doesn't affect you so why do you care" argument is facile, it wouldn't affect me if we introduced hunting black people with dogs but I'd still think it was wrong. There is a point of principle at stake and everybody is entitled to an opinion whether they are personally affected or not.
Funkycoldribena said:
I'm sorry,I just don't do offended.
Nothing offends me,it really doesn't!
This make things 'comfortable' nonsense is just pandering,there's two genders,end of.
I don't do offended either, as I made clear in a thread a while ago.Nothing offends me,it really doesn't!
This make things 'comfortable' nonsense is just pandering,there's two genders,end of.
But that does not mean I disregard the feelings of others who may be offended or upset by things.
Forcing others to conform just because you don't like it isn't helping anyone.
Lord Marylebone said:
I don't do offended either, as I made clear in a thread a while ago.
But that does not mean I disregard the feelings of others who may be offended or upset by things.
Forcing others to conform just because you don't like it isn't helping anyone.
I do disregard their feelings when they're absolute wet drip garbage.But that does not mean I disregard the feelings of others who may be offended or upset by things.
Forcing others to conform just because you don't like it isn't helping anyone.
As for forcing others to conform isn't that what they're trying to do?
Go and dress up as a mongoose for all I care but don't expect passport control to accept the picture or change the rules to accommodate you.
TurboHatchback said:
This "it doesn't affect you so why do you care" argument is facile, it wouldn't affect me if we introduced hunting black people with dogs but I'd still think it was wrong. There is a point of principle at stake and everybody is entitled to an opinion whether they are personally affected or not.
Your example is whether other humans should be discriminately murdered. This thread is about adding an optional, extra letter to a passport. Get some perspective. In the grand scheme of things, does the latter really matter? Who is this harming? Getting upset over it is very petty or you have something against people being different.Edited by Trolleys Thank You on Wednesday 11th October 23:19
^^^^
First they came for..... and you didn’t care.
It does matter. Pandering to small changes soon turns to pandering to large changes, then all sense of normality has gone. Why have gender on there at all, or names , or anything. How about just the passport number and picture. Solves all the problems.
First they came for..... and you didn’t care.
It does matter. Pandering to small changes soon turns to pandering to large changes, then all sense of normality has gone. Why have gender on there at all, or names , or anything. How about just the passport number and picture. Solves all the problems.
If they have to change it then the options are simple - testicles or ovaries.
Oxford dictionary is unequivocal;
male
meɪl/Submit
adjective
1.
of or denoting the sex that produces gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.
"male children"
synonyms: masculine, to do with men, he-; More
noun
1.
a male person, plant, or animal.
Oxford dictionary is unequivocal;
male
meɪl/Submit
adjective
1.
of or denoting the sex that produces gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.
"male children"
synonyms: masculine, to do with men, he-; More
noun
1.
a male person, plant, or animal.
mondeoman said:
^^^^
First they came for..... and you didn’t care.
It does matter. Pandering to small changes soon turns to pandering to large changes, then all sense of normality has gone. Why have gender on there at all, or names , or anything. How about just the passport number and picture. Solves all the problems.
"First they came for"First they came for..... and you didn’t care.
It does matter. Pandering to small changes soon turns to pandering to large changes, then all sense of normality has gone. Why have gender on there at all, or names , or anything. How about just the passport number and picture. Solves all the problems.
lol what? Who are they coming for? It's an extra option on a document. Untwist your knickers and carry on with your life.
Ari said:
Mia, 28, from Dorset, came out as transgender around two years ago.
She told Newsbeat: "Initially, I identified as non-binary. I didn't see myself as fully female or fully male, I was kind of in the middle.
"Over time, I've become more comfortable with using female to describe myself. But it was very awkward and uncomfortable in that time because there was basically no way to select a gender that felt like mine."
FFS.
What's really bizarre is that he's actually managed to get his passport changed to 'female'! Just because he's decided that that's what he'd like to be now.
This whole 'gender' thing needs scrapping and the term sex using. Male or female.
Gender is a bit like religion - call yourself what you like, be what you want, just don't expect other people to make special allowances for it.
"She", "He"? Keep up, it's all about "Ze" nowShe told Newsbeat: "Initially, I identified as non-binary. I didn't see myself as fully female or fully male, I was kind of in the middle.
"Over time, I've become more comfortable with using female to describe myself. But it was very awkward and uncomfortable in that time because there was basically no way to select a gender that felt like mine."
FFS.
What's really bizarre is that he's actually managed to get his passport changed to 'female'! Just because he's decided that that's what he'd like to be now.
This whole 'gender' thing needs scrapping and the term sex using. Male or female.
Gender is a bit like religion - call yourself what you like, be what you want, just don't expect other people to make special allowances for it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-person_pronoun...
Trolleys Thank You said:
Your example is whether other humans should be discriminately murdered. This thread is about adding an optional, extra letter to a passport. Get some perspective. In the grand scheme of things, does the latter really matter? Who is this harming? Getting upset over it is very petty or you have something against people being different.
Inherently it doesn't matter at all. Practically, though, it could cause complications for the traveller.in some countries. Trying to explain the complexities of an additional gender could be challenging....Edited by Trolleys Thank You on Wednesday 11th October 23:19
I just wonder when people who do not identify with male or female will be happy. It may just be one letter now but have you looked at where we are now with variations.
We used to have Gay. now we have LGBTQIA, look it up and then look at the variations within that whole section. So if a person can have something other than male or female, why not every new definition? Why not Bear or butch as those people feel that describes them as well as someone who is none binary.
10 countries have made an allowance so far, others may feel they have to alter their ways to make a tiny proportion feel better, I am not convinced the time and effort is being wisely spent.
We used to have Gay. now we have LGBTQIA, look it up and then look at the variations within that whole section. So if a person can have something other than male or female, why not every new definition? Why not Bear or butch as those people feel that describes them as well as someone who is none binary.
10 countries have made an allowance so far, others may feel they have to alter their ways to make a tiny proportion feel better, I am not convinced the time and effort is being wisely spent.
mondeoman said:
^^^^
First they came for..... and you didn’t care.
It does matter. Pandering to small changes soon turns to pandering to large changes, then all sense of normality has gone. Why have gender on there at all, or names , or anything. How about just the passport number and picture. Solves all the problems.
10 countries already offer gender neutral travel documents including passports.First they came for..... and you didn’t care.
It does matter. Pandering to small changes soon turns to pandering to large changes, then all sense of normality has gone. Why have gender on there at all, or names , or anything. How about just the passport number and picture. Solves all the problems.
As far as I'm aware, this change was simple to implement and hadn't interfered in any way with any of the processes and uses of the passports in question.
I genuinely fail to see how this is an issue.
desolate said:
Which 10 countries have made the change?
From https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/31/cana..."Canada becomes the first country in the Americas to allow its citizens to use an “X” category, joining those in Australia, Denmark, Germany, Malta, New Zealand and Pakistan. India, Ireland and Nepal are among the countries that provide various third-options.”
My view is just take the gender field off the passport - not sure it adds anything by being there.
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