Harvey Weinstein

[Randy Winkman]

Alpinestars said:

I make no apology that I’m concerned with both the law and abuse of power, usually by men, against women.

Me too. Well said. Which is why some posters amaze me (on many threads) by only contributing with sarcasm, pedantry or "Ah, but ......" stuff.

[AreOut]

Burwood said:

What do you mean by ‘used is position to get’. Is threatening to ruin their career legal to get his way? How about threatening to kill. Suck my knob or i’ll Have you killed.how about actually following through and getting the non compliant ones kicked off films.

The man will be going to prison for a long time. Guaranteed.

if "ruin their career" = you'll lose your fancy job if you don't go to bed with me then it's highly immoral but I'm not sure if it's punishable by law since it's a private company, they can set whatever conditions they want, if you don't like them then you shouldn't apply

[Alpinestars]

AreOut said:

if "ruin their career" = you'll lose your fancy job if you don't go to bed with me then it's highly immoral but I'm not sure if it's punishable by law since it's a private company, they can set whatever conditions they want, if you don't like them then you shouldn't apply

Do you condone this sort of exploitation?

[Burwood]

AreOut said:

Burwood said:

What do you mean by ‘used is position to get’. Is threatening to ruin their career legal to get his way? How about threatening to kill. Suck my knob or i’ll Have you killed.how about actually following through and getting the non compliant ones kicked off films.

The man will be going to prison for a long time. Guaranteed.

if "ruin their career" = you'll lose your fancy job if you don't go to bed with me then it's highly immoral but I'm not sure if it's punishable by law since it's a private company, they can set whatever conditions they want, if you don't like them then you shouldn't apply

It’s actually illegal.

[Randy Winkman]

And I guess that if some people wont give jobs to black people, Muslims or Jews the problem is easily solved by those people just not applying?

[randomman]

Burwood said:

What do you mean by ‘used is position to get’. Is threatening to ruin their career legal to get his way? How about threatening to kill. Suck my knob or i’ll Have you killed.how about actually following through and getting the non compliant ones kicked off films.

The man will be going to prison for a long time. Guaranteed.

No, threats to kill would be illegal and should be punished accordingly. Not sure where I suggested otherwise.

The point I am alluding to, and I'm reassured others have it too, is to not blur the lines between legal and ethical in the justice system. His career is over, he is likely to be harassed by paps/feminists/the public until the end of time, likewise as long as this is legal then fair enough, what goes around comes around. But I disagree that some appear to think there should be legal ramifications for being a twunt, not least of all because online car forums would be a lot quieter.

[mattyn1]

motco said:

Am I alone in thinking he's got a Cunning Plan?

No you aren't. Listening to his lawyer last night highlighted this - apparently he is admitting bad behaviour, not illegal behaviour. He also reiterated bad behaviour is not necessarily illegal.

This is why I think he will get off. Which will be a pity.


But hopefully like someone else stated, it could revolutionise how Hollywood casting works.

[Ridgemont]

mattyn1 said:

motco said:

Am I alone in thinking he's got a Cunning Plan?

No you aren't. Listening to his lawyer last night highlighted this - apparently he is admitting bad behaviour, not illegal behaviour. He also reiterated bad behaviour is not necessarily illegal.

This is why I think he will get off. Which will be a pity.


But hopefully like someone else stated, it could revolutionise how Hollywood casting works.

Indeed. It’s alao interesting that 90 odd allegations have parlayed into “two counts of rape and one count of a criminal sexual act involving two women, who were not identified.”.
If this all he’s currently facing, on 3 historical events, you can imagine the lawyer will be inclined to play hardball and essentially argue some of the nonsense positions assumed above (acts were immoral but not illegal, it’s a rough old business, women compromised themselves for advancement etc etc). I have to say I’m not optimistic that he’ll be spending a significant amount of time behind bars.

[Alpinestars]

Ridgemont said:

mattyn1 said:

motco said:

Am I alone in thinking he's got a Cunning Plan?

No you aren't. Listening to his lawyer last night highlighted this - apparently he is admitting bad behaviour, not illegal behaviour. He also reiterated bad behaviour is not necessarily illegal.

This is why I think he will get off. Which will be a pity.


But hopefully like someone else stated, it could revolutionise how Hollywood casting works.

Indeed. It’s alao interesting that 90 odd allegations have parlayed into “two counts of rape and one count of a criminal sexual act involving two women, who were not identified.”.
If this all he’s currently facing, on 3 historical events, you can imagine the lawyer will be inclined to play hardball and essentially argue some of the nonsense positions assumed above (acts were immoral but not illegal, it’s a rough old business, women compromised themselves for advancement etc etc). I have to say I’m not optimistic that he’ll be spending a significant amount of time behind bars.

Similar situation to Crosby. Others who were abused were called as witnesses.

[98elise]

AreOut said:

Burwood said:

What do you mean by ‘used is position to get’. Is threatening to ruin their career legal to get his way? How about threatening to kill. Suck my knob or i’ll Have you killed.how about actually following through and getting the non compliant ones kicked off films.

The man will be going to prison for a long time. Guaranteed.

if "ruin their career" = you'll lose your fancy job if you don't go to bed with me then it's highly immoral but I'm not sure if it's punishable by law since it's a private company, they can set whatever conditions they want, if you don't like them then you shouldn't apply

Blackmail surely?

[Burwood]

98elise said:

AreOut said:

Burwood said:

What do you mean by ‘used is position to get’. Is threatening to ruin their career legal to get his way? How about threatening to kill. Suck my knob or i’ll Have you killed.how about actually following through and getting the non compliant ones kicked off films.

The man will be going to prison for a long time. Guaranteed.

if "ruin their career" = you'll lose your fancy job if you don't go to bed with me then it's highly immoral but I'm not sure if it's punishable by law since it's a private company, they can set whatever conditions they want, if you don't like them then you shouldn't apply

Blackmail surely?

He's being sued at present by an actress who Peter Jackson was going to hire (Jackson backs this up) but Weinstein told jackson she was trouble and pressured him not to hire her. The film was a big hit 'Peter Jackson: I blacklisted Ashley Judd and Mira Sorvino under pressure from Weinstein'. As I understand it the law is anti competitive (US laws) and libel/slander.

There are some complex laws surrounding sex and coercion. Recent case in NZ. I thought surely not true. A guy told a female friend he had been poisoned and he had 24 hours to live unless she performs multiple sex acts on him. She did it! She smelled a rat when he came back for more the following day! The law is ' sexual connection induced by threat'

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_i...

[spaximus]

I think the problem here will be how the case is handled by the District Attorney and who the jury is made up off.

What he is saying is yes he did sleep with these actresses but they were happy to do so on the promise of work. Repugnant but illegal? He is going to claim I guess they only then were unhappy when he couldn't deliver a part for them. His team are already on the offensive and remember in the states the theatrics of the case is important so showing a woman as a grasping actress willing to do anything to get on and only then were they unhappy.

There is also the problem of how he will claim he cannot get a fair trial after being tried already by the media who have run lots of allegations but with few charges brought.

Fresh on the heels of Crosby being found guilty of drugging women and now Morgan Freeman admitting he also did similar "inappropriate things" they will have to be careful in how it is played out.

Whatever, this will turn into the next must see trial and I would not be surprised if he does find a way out of this or as others have suggested will do small time

[Thorodin]

Fail to see how he can be found guilty. No proof or even evidence of violence to fill his perversion, no hospital rape-kit evidence, no accusations made at the time. And the killer: how the hell do they think Hollywood works? It was prostitution. His lawyer will say: they could have said 'No' at any time and walked away. But they didn't. And it was never a secret. By the way, don't consider this to be my defence of the toad.

[AreOut]

Alpinestars said:

Do you condone this sort of exploitation?

Absolutely not, although I still fail to see how "I'll give you a contract if you sleep with me" is that much different from "I'll marry you if you sleep with me" which is also sort of a contract, and there are millions of men around the world having sex using that phrase(and never fulfilling the promise)

[Alpinestars]

Thorodin said:

Fail to see how he can be found guilty. No proof or even evidence of violence to fill his perversion, no hospital rape-kit evidence, no accusations made at the time. And the killer: how the hell do they think Hollywood works? It was prostitution. His lawyer will say: they could have said 'No' at any time and walked away. But they didn't. And it was never a secret. By the way, don't consider this to be my defence of the toad.

What you’ve describe is a criminal offence in the UK. Don’t know about US laws but I’d be surprised if they are that different.

[Thorodin]

I wouldn't.

[Zod]

AreOut said:

Alpinestars said:

Do you condone this sort of exploitation?

Absolutely not, although I still fail to see how "I'll give you a contract if you sleep with me" is that much different from "I'll marry you if you sleep with me" which is also sort of a contract, and there are millions of men around the world having sex using that phrase(and never fulfilling the promise)

You really think that?

[AreOut]

many men lie and promise things to get laid, always been like that

you can't accuse someone of sexual misbehaviour if you willingly went to bed with that person

[aaron_2000]

AreOut said:

many men lie and promise things to get laid, always been like that

you can't accuse someone of sexual misbehaviour if you willingly went to bed with that person

Last time I checked, rape didn't mean they were willing.

[AreOut]

well yeah but we don't know yet if he raped any of them or not, he is quite a slimeball so I wouldn't be surprised if he did