Harvey Weinstein
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It does seem that some are saying he was a willing participant in this. That is the same as many women who willingly participated with Wienstein only afterwards when the career did not work out, did they moan.
In law he was a minor where the offence took place regardless of whether he was up for it. The hypocrisy from the metoo movement is breathtaking
In law he was a minor where the offence took place regardless of whether he was up for it. The hypocrisy from the metoo movement is breathtaking
Moonhawk said:
Interesting to see how this plays out (if it does).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-4525...
I wonder how many other situations there are like this.
(also seeing this is NPE - delete as appropriate....."it'd be like all my Christmases....", "i'd be on her like hair on a gorilla", "what 17 your old lad wouldn't" etc etc)
Rose McGowan now urging us to "None of us know the truth of the situation and I’m sure more will be revealed. Be gentle." Isn't it odd how all of a sudden victims shouldn't automatically be believed when the accused is female and one of your mates?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-4525...
I wonder how many other situations there are like this.
(also seeing this is NPE - delete as appropriate....."it'd be like all my Christmases....", "i'd be on her like hair on a gorilla", "what 17 your old lad wouldn't" etc etc)
Russian Troll Bot said:
Moonhawk said:
Interesting to see how this plays out (if it does).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-4525...
I wonder how many other situations there are like this.
(also seeing this is NPE - delete as appropriate....."it'd be like all my Christmases....", "i'd be on her like hair on a gorilla", "what 17 your old lad wouldn't" etc etc)
Rose McGowan now urging us to "None of us know the truth of the situation and I’m sure more will be revealed. Be gentle." Isn't it odd how all of a sudden victims shouldn't automatically be believed when the accused is female and one of your mates?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-4525...
I wonder how many other situations there are like this.
(also seeing this is NPE - delete as appropriate....."it'd be like all my Christmases....", "i'd be on her like hair on a gorilla", "what 17 your old lad wouldn't" etc etc)
Burwood said:
Russian Troll Bot said:
Moonhawk said:
Interesting to see how this plays out (if it does).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-4525...
I wonder how many other situations there are like this.
(also seeing this is NPE - delete as appropriate....."it'd be like all my Christmases....", "i'd be on her like hair on a gorilla", "what 17 your old lad wouldn't" etc etc)
Rose McGowan now urging us to "None of us know the truth of the situation and I’m sure more will be revealed. Be gentle." Isn't it odd how all of a sudden victims shouldn't automatically be believed when the accused is female and one of your mates?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-4525...
I wonder how many other situations there are like this.
(also seeing this is NPE - delete as appropriate....."it'd be like all my Christmases....", "i'd be on her like hair on a gorilla", "what 17 your old lad wouldn't" etc etc)
Kevin Spacey reappears with a bizarre Xmas video......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZveA-NAIDI
Meanwhile he's headed to court.....
"Kevin Spacey must turn up at a forthcoming court hearing in Massachusetts, a judge ruled on Monday, after the actor requested that he be allowed to avoid appearing in person when he faces criminal charges that he sexually assaulted an 18-year-old man at a bar in 2016."
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/dec/31/ke...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZveA-NAIDI
Meanwhile he's headed to court.....
"Kevin Spacey must turn up at a forthcoming court hearing in Massachusetts, a judge ruled on Monday, after the actor requested that he be allowed to avoid appearing in person when he faces criminal charges that he sexually assaulted an 18-year-old man at a bar in 2016."
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/dec/31/ke...
MeToo has a rather predictable impact on men's behaviour in the workplace
Leanin said:
twice as many male managers now feel uncomfortable working alone with a woman. This is a step in the wrong direction … almost half of male managers are uncomfortable participating in a common work activity with a woman, such as mentoring, working alone, or socializing together.” Furthermore, 16% of male managers now say they’re uncomfortable mentoring a woman, as opposed to 5% before #MeToo. And senior-level men are five times as likely to hesitate to travel for work with a junior-level woman than a junior-level man.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/26829/metoo-backlash-survey-shows-twice-many-men-now-ben-shapiroLet’s live in some fantasy world for a second - What would happen if these men were utterly innocent and it transpired a few porkie pies had been said / assumed to be gospel. How would thee get compensation for 1 edited out of a film/business destroyed / ruined name/brand etc.
Clearly they are not but if this all turns out to be suggestions vs doing anything physical what sort of maximum term could they face? If months to a year then this might come as a huge shock.
IIRC rape is a 15year term so on the assumption neither have done this (I’m not up to speed on all the accusations but grope of the cock in a pub should’ve met with either a get list / shouting out stop touching my penis you pervert or slap/punch/knee in the groin.
Clearly they are not but if this all turns out to be suggestions vs doing anything physical what sort of maximum term could they face? If months to a year then this might come as a huge shock.
IIRC rape is a 15year term so on the assumption neither have done this (I’m not up to speed on all the accusations but grope of the cock in a pub should’ve met with either a get list / shouting out stop touching my penis you pervert or slap/punch/knee in the groin.
JagLover said:
MeToo has a rather predictable impact on men's behaviour in the workplace
Just another thing to add to the list of toxic masculinity offences.Leanin said:
twice as many male managers now feel uncomfortable working alone with a woman. This is a step in the wrong direction … almost half of male managers are uncomfortable participating in a common work activity with a woman, such as mentoring, working alone, or socializing together.” Furthermore, 16% of male managers now say they’re uncomfortable mentoring a woman, as opposed to 5% before #MeToo. And senior-level men are five times as likely to hesitate to travel for work with a junior-level woman than a junior-level man.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/26829/metoo-backlash-survey-shows-twice-many-men-now-ben-shapiro768 said:
JagLover said:
MeToo has a rather predictable impact on men's behaviour in the workplace
Just another thing to add to the list of toxic masculinity offences.Leanin said:
twice as many male managers now feel uncomfortable working alone with a woman. This is a step in the wrong direction … almost half of male managers are uncomfortable participating in a common work activity with a woman, such as mentoring, working alone, or socializing together.” Furthermore, 16% of male managers now say they’re uncomfortable mentoring a woman, as opposed to 5% before #MeToo. And senior-level men are five times as likely to hesitate to travel for work with a junior-level woman than a junior-level man.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/26829/metoo-backlash-survey-shows-twice-many-men-now-ben-shapiro
https://twitter.com/nickkristof/status/10958339026...
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 14th February 07:17
cookie118 said:
Yeah I mean women should definitely have to take men’s feelings into account when they report sexual assault/harrassment/discrimination
Quite clearly they shouldn't. But if there is a climate whereby women are seen to be overreacting to relatively innocuous comments or behaviour combined with a presumption of guilt if allegations are made then men are going to need to be extremely risk averse in the workplace and, in particular, outside it while socialising with colleagues or on business trips. I think I remember reading somewhere as well that some companies are putting CCTV in meeting rooms, which will be more about protecting the company, and senior men, as anything else.
JagLover said:
Quite clearly they shouldn't. But if there is a climate whereby women are seen to be overreacting to relatively innocuous comments or behaviour combined with a presumption of guilt if allegations are made then men are going to need to be extremely risk averse in the workplace and, in particular, outside it while socialising with colleagues or on business trips.
I think I remember reading somewhere as well that some companies are putting CCTV in meeting rooms, which will be more about protecting the company, and senior men, as anything else.
So men are going to take care to ensure they don’t harrass their colleagues? Sounds like a win-win to me? I think I remember reading somewhere as well that some companies are putting CCTV in meeting rooms, which will be more about protecting the company, and senior men, as anything else.
And what about the women who as a result of metoo are more likely to feel confident about going on business trips, team socials etc? Sexual harrassment at work is still a massive issue - but every time steps are taken to solve it it seem that women are told they’re being over sensitive and at the same time men say that holding other men to account over their actions makes them scared-it’s bulls
t!And if those last points are true does hr not say more about the company that they didn’t have cameras to tackle actual harassment claims?
cookie118 said:
So men are going to take care to ensure they don’t harrass their colleagues? Sounds like a win-win to me?
And what about the women who as a result of metoo are more likely to feel confident about going on business trips, team socials etc? Sexual harrassment at work is still a massive issue - but every time steps are taken to solve it it seem that women are told they’re being over sensitive and at the same time men say that holding other men to account over their actions makes them scared-it’s bullst!
Life often isn't black and white it is shades of grey.And what about the women who as a result of metoo are more likely to feel confident about going on business trips, team socials etc? Sexual harrassment at work is still a massive issue - but every time steps are taken to solve it it seem that women are told they’re being over sensitive and at the same time men say that holding other men to account over their actions makes them scared-it’s bulls
t!Leaving aside women who make completely fabricated claims, often we are talking about trying to avoid misunderstanding and conversations and actions that could be misconstrued.
To take some examples of shades of grey. A number of young women can be very flirty in how they talk with you and not because they have a desperate desire for some loving from overweight middle aged men, it is just how they talk. If you jokingly respond in kind is this harassment?.
Have a few drinks after work with some colleagues and the jokes become a bit more risqué. Is this harassment if some of those colleagues are women?.
Hence why the risk averse avoid such situations. They remove the possibility for misunderstandings by avoiding the contact in the first place. They are not stopping themselves "harassing" their female colleagues as they were not doing so before.
Interesting one this. I was told the other day at work that when you get to know some of the female customers, they have a habit of pinching your bum. I was told this as if I need to expect this to happen, and put up with it. 
'#metoo'
Imagine the horror if I was a woman and the male customers were expected to do this.
'#metoo'
Imagine the horror if I was a woman and the male customers were expected to do this.
funkyrobot said:
Interesting one this. I was told the other day at work that when you get to know some of the female customers, they have a habit of pinching your bum. I was told this as if I need to expect this to happen, and put up with it.
'#metoo'
Imagine the horror if I was a woman and the male customers were expected to do this.
In what environment do you work?'#metoo'
Imagine the horror if I was a woman and the male customers were expected to do this.
desolate said:
funkyrobot said:
Interesting one this. I was told the other day at work that when you get to know some of the female customers, they have a habit of pinching your bum. I was told this as if I need to expect this to happen, and put up with it.
'#metoo'
Imagine the horror if I was a woman and the male customers were expected to do this.
In what environment do you work?'#metoo'
Imagine the horror if I was a woman and the male customers were expected to do this.
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