Harvey Weinstein
Discussion
Driver101 said:
Crazy Days and Nights made that claim, supposedly, back in 2013:http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2017/10/blind-it...
jas xjr said:
i heard on radio 5live today that weinstein had his membership of the BFI (or something) withdrawn. so is he being found guilty by various bodies such as this? this does not sit well by me.
if the allegations against him are true , he obviously deserves everything he gets, but it appears that he is being treated as guilty before he is tried in court.
He has apologised and checked into **rehab** so they can act on that I think.if the allegations against him are true , he obviously deserves everything he gets, but it appears that he is being treated as guilty before he is tried in court.
jas xjr said:
i heard on radio 5live today that weinstein had his membership of the BFI (or something) withdrawn. so is he being found guilty by various bodies such as this? this does not sit well by me.
if the allegations against him are true , he obviously deserves everything he gets, but it appears that he is being treated as guilty before he is tried in court.
It's a professional body so they can remove him for unprofessional conduct/disrepute/lots of things with less thorough an investigation (I'd hope!) than one which would see him jailed as a criminal.if the allegations against him are true , he obviously deserves everything he gets, but it appears that he is being treated as guilty before he is tried in court.
Likewise sponsors abandoning disgraced sports stars (not Nike, obviously). The bar is less high.
I'm sure if ten girls at work complained about you being a sleazeball you could lose your job/membership of some organizations long before the police got started with you.
Escapegoat said:
Tom Jones never complained about sexual harassment (or the biohazard risk) when hundreds of women were throwing their undies at him in the '70s and '80s.
Different times... What would happen today - has anyone ever sued a football stadium of womenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRnyfVgQbXk
Edited by saaby93 on Thursday 19th October 22:55
saaby93 said:
Escapegoat said:
Tom Jones never complained about sexual harassment (or the biohazard risk) when hundreds of women were throwing their undies at him in the '70s and '80s.
Different times... What would happen todayOne direction concerts were full of middle aged woman. The XFactor presenter who 'dated' Harry styles was 35, and he was 17.
Yipper said:
David Blaine now.
It's all getting a bit silly. Everyone with a Y chromosome in Hollywood will be locked up in San Quentin jail and all new movies next year will be about cooking or handbags and stuff.
Are you in a competition with yourself over who can be the most continually pointless and fetid poster?It's all getting a bit silly. Everyone with a Y chromosome in Hollywood will be locked up in San Quentin jail and all new movies next year will be about cooking or handbags and stuff.
hyphen said:
The same?
One direction concerts were full of middle aged woman. The XFactor presenter who 'dated' Harry styles was 35, and he was 17.
I’m not sure what the age of the women has to do with anything?One direction concerts were full of middle aged woman. The XFactor presenter who 'dated' Harry styles was 35, and he was 17.
As far as I’m aware neither the fans nor Caroline flack had any particular power over one direction in the way that producers/directors etc do.
Eddie Strohacker said:
Vocal Minority said:
My girlfriend as part of her work in the wider justice system has counseled women who have been the victim of domestic and sexual violence including rape. So, whilst I am not speaking from first hand experience, obviously - this is from someone who has first hand, professional experience in helping scores of women to whom this has happened (it really isn't rare).
The trouble with comments like the above, is that because we are all lucky enough never to have had contact with this horrifying crime, we know very little about it.
I once read a post on here where some bloke said (Christ knows how the conversation headed this way but it did) he'd rather be raped than lose some f
king F1 trinkets. Apparently he could 'deal with the mental discomfort' but some of those signed wing endplates were irreplaceable.
Absolutely speechless.
I admit I was ignorant about the profoundness until I started listening to someone who knew what they were talking about (and actually listened rather than feeling universally picked on as a white male, because frankly when you let go of that defensiveness you will see it isn't true). Not that I am expecting anyone to do that.
A question that has been asked on this thread is 'why didn't they come forward sooner'.
The answer to that is very simple - and ironically in the very same posts where the questions are being asked.
Point 1). Because 'that little bit of mental discomfort' is actually post traumatic stress. The sort of post traumatic stress that can lead to a decade of being frightened to sleep because of the dreams.
It sounds like something people will respond to with 'of course it is' but given how lightly some seem to treat it, it bears repeating.
RAPE. IS. HORRIFIC.
It is the next level to beating a woman. It is a big step up.
So..in a nutshell - They find it very hard to relive - and any police investigation (not even prosecution) will make it worse. It is exhaustive and physically intrusive. So many prefer to just hide.
2). Rape is not a physical weapon. It is a psychological one. It goes in tandem with making the victim feel worthless - in this case 'some actress' who needs the producer. Think about the message it sends. 'You are nothing, I can do what I like, you won't even tell anyone because I am as powerful as I am.
So - the victim starts to feel like the attacker wants them to feel. Worthless. Unimportant. Like no one will care.
3). They are terrified they won't be believed or taken seriously. They will be thought of as wes. Liars. Making it up because the big producer didn't given them a job,They want attention - and this is a valid worry. It has happened an awful lot on this thread alone. Now extrapolate that to the wider world.
Women who come forward straight away are incredibly brave in my opinion. It is enormously, enormously difficult.
It is very easy for us to say 'why didn't they straight away' - because we cannot possibly imagine the affect the crime has on a person and we have the luxury of reducing it to a problem of logic.
My girlfriend never gives specifics - because she is a professional - but even talking in broad generalities about what victims as a group go through - frankly broke me down.
I had no idea. I thought I would. But I didn't.
I am afraid that probably goes for many on this thread.
The trouble with comments like the above, is that because we are all lucky enough never to have had contact with this horrifying crime, we know very little about it.
I once read a post on here where some bloke said (Christ knows how the conversation headed this way but it did) he'd rather be raped than lose some f
king F1 trinkets. Apparently he could 'deal with the mental discomfort' but some of those signed wing endplates were irreplaceable.Absolutely speechless.
I admit I was ignorant about the profoundness until I started listening to someone who knew what they were talking about (and actually listened rather than feeling universally picked on as a white male, because frankly when you let go of that defensiveness you will see it isn't true). Not that I am expecting anyone to do that.
A question that has been asked on this thread is 'why didn't they come forward sooner'.
The answer to that is very simple - and ironically in the very same posts where the questions are being asked.
Point 1). Because 'that little bit of mental discomfort' is actually post traumatic stress. The sort of post traumatic stress that can lead to a decade of being frightened to sleep because of the dreams.
It sounds like something people will respond to with 'of course it is' but given how lightly some seem to treat it, it bears repeating.
RAPE. IS. HORRIFIC.
It is the next level to beating a woman. It is a big step up.
So..in a nutshell - They find it very hard to relive - and any police investigation (not even prosecution) will make it worse. It is exhaustive and physically intrusive. So many prefer to just hide.
2). Rape is not a physical weapon. It is a psychological one. It goes in tandem with making the victim feel worthless - in this case 'some actress' who needs the producer. Think about the message it sends. 'You are nothing, I can do what I like, you won't even tell anyone because I am as powerful as I am.
So - the victim starts to feel like the attacker wants them to feel. Worthless. Unimportant. Like no one will care.
3). They are terrified they won't be believed or taken seriously. They will be thought of as w
es. Liars. Making it up because the big producer didn't given them a job,They want attention - and this is a valid worry. It has happened an awful lot on this thread alone. Now extrapolate that to the wider world.Women who come forward straight away are incredibly brave in my opinion. It is enormously, enormously difficult.
It is very easy for us to say 'why didn't they straight away' - because we cannot possibly imagine the affect the crime has on a person and we have the luxury of reducing it to a problem of logic.
My girlfriend never gives specifics - because she is a professional - but even talking in broad generalities about what victims as a group go through - frankly broke me down.
I had no idea. I thought I would. But I didn't.
I am afraid that probably goes for many on this thread.
Edited by Vocal Minority on Monday 16th October 10:49
The insecurities of some posters here are both profoundly depressing & frightening in equal measure.
Tarantino on Weinstein: ‘I Knew Enough to Do More Than I Did’
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/movies/tarantin...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/movies/tarantin...
hyphen said:
Tarantino on Weinstein: ‘I Knew Enough to Do More Than I Did’
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/movies/tarantin...
Tarantino stood to benefit from the status quo. One could argue that post Pulp Fiction, which was 1994, he would not have needed Weinstein's sponsorship anywhere near quite as much as prior. In turn, It does beg the question why did he stay silent for more than twenty years.https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/movies/tarantin...
On a related note, some might wish to search for Rupert Myers, a proselytising Barrister & Journalist with a large presence on Twitter up until yesterday afternoon.
Eddie Strohacker said:
On a related note, some might wish to search for Rupert Myers, a proselytising Barrister & Journalist with a large presence on Twitter up until yesterday afternoon.
I wish you lot would just state it rather than hinting at things and making me search for it. It is all public:http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/10/19/anti-br...
Sam Kriss also
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/18/vice-journalist-...
"She said that on her third date with Kriss, he behaved as if he were entitled to her body. In many instances, Kriss allegedly forced his tongue into her mouth, grabbed her butt and breasts, and even twisted her neck to force a kiss. “This physically hurt,” she wrote, adding that he made these maneuvers multiple times throughout the night, in public. He also commanded her to drink alcohol despite her repeated refusals."
why didn't she just chin him and fck off out the bar then?
It's all getting very silly and massively degrading the real cases in my opinion
why didn't she just chin him and fck off out the bar then?
It's all getting very silly and massively degrading the real cases in my opinion
Eddie Strohacker said:
hyphen said:
Tarantino on Weinstein: ‘I Knew Enough to Do More Than I Did’
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/movies/tarantin...
Tarantino stood to benefit from the status quo. One could argue that post Pulp Fiction, which was 1994, he would not have needed Weinstein's sponsorship anywhere near quite as much as prior. In turn, It does beg the question why did he stay silent for more than twenty years.https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/movies/tarantin...
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