Brits who fight for ISIS - kill 'em says MP
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Ahbefive said:
JagLover said:
Yipper said:
But, as above, the UK government encourages fighters to head overseas, and then turns against them when it goes wrong.
Now mentioned twice on this thread.I am aware of a UK government campaign to stop people joining ISIS but not aware of any similar campaign to "encourage fighters to go to the Middle east", perhaps you would like to provide examples.
Tannedbaldhead said:
We should do what needs to be done. The expedient should be carried out in a quiet calm fuss-free manner.
The MP is an idiot for saying this loud as are those who cheer on deaths like scores on a football game.
Societies who whack hornets nest with a stick get stung.
To be fair Stewart was talking about those fighters still in the conflict zones, not thoseThe MP is an idiot for saying this loud as are those who cheer on deaths like scores on a football game.
Societies who whack hornets nest with a stick get stung.
who made it 'home'. Which is fair enough imo.
gooner1 said:
Tannedbaldhead said:
We should do what needs to be done. The expedient should be carried out in a quiet calm fuss-free manner.
The MP is an idiot for saying this loud as are those who cheer on deaths like scores on a football game.
Societies who whack hornets nest with a stick get stung.
To be fair Stewart was talking about those fighters still in the conflict zones, not thoseThe MP is an idiot for saying this loud as are those who cheer on deaths like scores on a football game.
Societies who whack hornets nest with a stick get stung.
who made it 'home'. Which is fair enough imo.
Tannedbaldhead said:
We should do what needs to be done. The expedient should be carried out in a quiet calm fuss-free manner.
The MP is an idiot for saying this loud as are those who cheer on deaths like scores on a football game.
Societies who whack hornets nest with a stick get stung.
I suspect those that use a flame thrower don't get stungThe MP is an idiot for saying this loud as are those who cheer on deaths like scores on a football game.
Societies who whack hornets nest with a stick get stung.
or at least far less than those that invite the hornets into their home.
V8RX7 said:
Tannedbaldhead said:
We should do what needs to be done. The expedient should be carried out in a quiet calm fuss-free manner.
The MP is an idiot for saying this loud as are those who cheer on deaths like scores on a football game.
Societies who whack hornets nest with a stick get stung.
I suspect those that use a flame thrower don't get stungThe MP is an idiot for saying this loud as are those who cheer on deaths like scores on a football game.
Societies who whack hornets nest with a stick get stung.
or at least far less than those that invite the hornets into their home.
The Environmental Health Department decides to remove it using a flamethrower. Because they try to do it from 500 yards away (H&S of course, what sort of idiot goes too close to a Hornets nest?) they manage to kill only 10% of the hornets. The rest scatter, mainly into your house but also into both the neighbours houses. Fortunately you and your family don't need to worry about your house being full of stroppy slightly singed hornets. That's because your house is on fire and you have to leave home.
After running about 5 streets away you knock on the house of the local Council Chief Exec, explaining that you're now homeless because of his stupidity and ask him if he wouldn't mind helping you find somewhere to live. He says no because he doesn't want to risk you bringing the hornets with you.
Maybe if the Council had thought of a different way to remove hornets....who knows?
Countdown said:
V8RX7 said:
Tannedbaldhead said:
We should do what needs to be done. The expedient should be carried out in a quiet calm fuss-free manner.
The MP is an idiot for saying this loud as are those who cheer on deaths like scores on a football game.
Societies who whack hornets nest with a stick get stung.
I suspect those that use a flame thrower don't get stungThe MP is an idiot for saying this loud as are those who cheer on deaths like scores on a football game.
Societies who whack hornets nest with a stick get stung.
or at least far less than those that invite the hornets into their home.
The Environmental Health Department decides to remove it using a flamethrower. Because they try to do it from 500 yards away (H&S of course, what sort of idiot goes too close to a Hornets nest?) they manage to kill only 10% of the hornets. The rest scatter, mainly into your house but also into both the neighbours houses. Fortunately you and your family don't need to worry about your house being full of stroppy slightly singed hornets. That's because your house is on fire and you have to leave home.
After running about 5 streets away you knock on the house of the local Council Chief Exec, explaining that you're now homeless because of his stupidity and ask him if he wouldn't mind helping you find somewhere to live. He says no because he doesn't want to risk you bringing the hornets with you.
Maybe if the Council had thought of a different way to remove hornets....who knows?
Tannedbaldhead said:
The MP is an idiot for saying this loud.......
He’s ex MI6 (allegedly).https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.newyorker.com/n...
Given the recent comments by Max Hill QC, the independent reviewer of anti-terror legislation, perhaps Rory is simply putting forward his (ex) employers point of view.
There’s always been quite a bit of friction between the intelligence agencies and Max Hill - they want more powers and less scrutiny, he wants the opposite.
Ahbefive said:
JagLover said:
Yipper said:
But, as above, the UK government encourages fighters to head overseas, and then turns against them when it goes wrong.
Now mentioned twice on this thread.I am aware of a UK government campaign to stop people joining ISIS but not aware of any similar campaign to "encourage fighters to go to the Middle east", perhaps you would like to provide examples.
Lots of sources out there documenting how the UK helped folks to fight overseas.
https://www.ft.com/content/42cabb04-4203-11e7-9d56...
Yipper said:
Ahbefive said:
JagLover said:
Yipper said:
But, as above, the UK government encourages fighters to head overseas, and then turns against them when it goes wrong.
Now mentioned twice on this thread.I am aware of a UK government campaign to stop people joining ISIS but not aware of any similar campaign to "encourage fighters to go to the Middle east", perhaps you would like to provide examples.
Lots of sources out there documenting how the UK helped folks to fight overseas.
https://www.ft.com/content/42cabb04-4203-11e7-9d56...
Yipper said:
Ahbefive said:
JagLover said:
Yipper said:
But, as above, the UK government encourages fighters to head overseas, and then turns against them when it goes wrong.
Now mentioned twice on this thread.I am aware of a UK government campaign to stop people joining ISIS but not aware of any similar campaign to "encourage fighters to go to the Middle east", perhaps you would like to provide examples.
Lots of sources out there documenting how the UK helped folks to fight overseas.
https://www.ft.com/content/42cabb04-4203-11e7-9d56...
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JagLover said:
Now mentioned twice on this thread.
I am aware of a UK government campaign to stop people joining ISIS but not aware of any similar campaign to "encourage fighters to go to the Middle east", perhaps you would like to provide examples.
As to the subject of the OP. Those who join ISIS have joined an armed group opposed to the west. Those proved to be members should be locked up upon their return. Those still in the field should be killed with impunity.
The fact that Labour seems to have difficulty properly condemning them tells you a great deal about the moral equivalency in which they place such extreme groups and the west.
Isn't there some fairly compelling evidence that assisted an Islamic insurgency against Gaddafi?I am aware of a UK government campaign to stop people joining ISIS but not aware of any similar campaign to "encourage fighters to go to the Middle east", perhaps you would like to provide examples.
As to the subject of the OP. Those who join ISIS have joined an armed group opposed to the west. Those proved to be members should be locked up upon their return. Those still in the field should be killed with impunity.
The fact that Labour seems to have difficulty properly condemning them tells you a great deal about the moral equivalency in which they place such extreme groups and the west.
One of those we helped came back and bombed Manchester arena.
Yipper said:
Good try, but no cigar
Lots of sources out there documenting how the UK helped folks to fight overseas.
https://www.ft.com/content/42cabb04-4203-11e7-9d56...
Libya isn't SyriaLots of sources out there documenting how the UK helped folks to fight overseas.
https://www.ft.com/content/42cabb04-4203-11e7-9d56...
But fair enough the UK government does seem to have facilitated the travel of a number of people back to Libya to join the various militias there.
It may be recalled that the US funded and supported the groups that spawned the Taliban and Al Qeda in order to p
s off Russia. Ironically, Russia now backs the Taliban in order to ps off the US. The complex of alliances and enmities across the near and middle east can make your head explode.
Even without positive support for Jihadi groups by western powers, the ill thought out interventions in Iraq and Libya laid the ground for groups such as IS to grow.
s off Russia. Ironically, Russia now backs the Taliban in order to ps off the US. The complex of alliances and enmities across the near and middle east can make your head explode.Even without positive support for Jihadi groups by western powers, the ill thought out interventions in Iraq and Libya laid the ground for groups such as IS to grow.
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