Are the BBC Racist

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Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

158 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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TTwiggy said:
Rovinghawk said:
As for whether the BBC is racist, it might be more accurate to reply that a disproportionate number of its members have priorities different to society in general and this influences their output.
Only if you think NP&E is truly representative of 'society in general'.
Take what I wrote at face value, with no judgement of right or wrong as to their actions. It was intended to be neutral and should be read as such.

Not-The-Messiah

3,620 posts

81 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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TTwiggy said:
Rovinghawk said:
As for whether the BBC is racist, it might be more accurate to reply that a disproportionate number of its members have priorities different to society in general and this influences their output.
Only if you think NP&E is truly representative of 'society in general'.
I would go for somewhere in the middle.

Countdown

39,890 posts

196 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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If NP&E was representative of society in general UKIP would have won he last 2 elections with a clear majority and there would be no such thing as climate change.

TTwiggy

11,538 posts

204 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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Rovinghawk said:
TTwiggy said:
Rovinghawk said:
As for whether the BBC is racist, it might be more accurate to reply that a disproportionate number of its members have priorities different to society in general and this influences their output.
Only if you think NP&E is truly representative of 'society in general'.
Take what I wrote at face value, with no judgement of right or wrong as to their actions. It was intended to be neutral and should be read as such.
Out of interest then, who are the 'members' of the BBC? Last time I looked it was just an employer like thousands of other companies.

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

158 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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TTwiggy said:
Out of interest then, who are the 'members' of the BBC? Last time I looked it was just an employer like thousands of other companies.
Senior staff (decision makers) at least.

JagLover

42,413 posts

235 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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Countdown said:
If NP&E was representative of society in general UKIP would have won he last 2 elections with a clear majority and there would be no such thing as climate change.
Despite the fact that all polls I saw of PH members in NP&E showed a Tory majority in the last two elections....

Not-The-Messiah

3,620 posts

81 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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JagLover said:
Countdown said:
If NP&E was representative of society in general UKIP would have won he last 2 elections with a clear majority and there would be no such thing as climate change.
Despite the fact that all polls I saw of PH members in NP&E showed a Tory majority in the last two elections....
It also got Brexit correct when all the major media outlets and polling didn't.

I don't think that NP&E represents the view of the population but to say so would be as stupid to claim that the BBC is. That's why I said it's somewhere in the middle.

hairyben

8,516 posts

183 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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Oh and thats another thing, got any irony?

AW111 said:
You invented a group of people, using the alt-right buzzwords I picked you up on, and called them racists.

There's not much of an argument to rebut, is there?

I notice you have now also used "triggered", to show your love for memes.

If you you can just use "snowflake" as well, you win today's game of "buzzword bingo".



Seriously, try not to use hackneyed stereotypes and stupid labels, and you may get a better response.

hairyben

8,516 posts

183 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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Not-The-Messiah said:
Countdown said:
What's the opposite of "virtue signalling"? Twunt signalling?

It seems to be only NP&E where espousing virtues and social justice is a bad thing.....
First off you don't seem to understand the meaning of virtue signalling.

I think most people on here would support things like social justice when it's needed and when real injustices are present. But not when it's just made up emotional nonsense. Or when the fight for equality and justice creates the total opposite.
Yup. Standing up and defending are fine - its the vainglorious looking to be insulted on others behalf thats the issue, and the righteuos takedowning of people for crimes you know they're not actually guilty of. E.g. benedict cumberbach...

Countdown

39,890 posts

196 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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JagLover said:
Countdown said:
If NP&E was representative of society in general UKIP would have won he last 2 elections with a clear majority and there would be no such thing as climate change.
Despite the fact that all polls I saw of PH members in NP&E showed a Tory majority in the last two elections....
Could you perhaps point me towards these polls?

UKIP scored (IIRC) 13% in the 2010 election. They scored significantly less earlier this year. My memory isn't what it used to be but you really only need to look at the UKIP threads to see that support for them on NP&E is significantly more than it is in the wider population, based on how many votes they got.


hairyben

8,516 posts

183 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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Countdown said:
Could you perhaps point me towards these polls?

UKIP scored (IIRC) 13% in the 2010 election. They scored significantly less earlier this year. My memory isn't what it used to be but you really only need to look at the UKIP threads to see that support for them on NP&E is significantly more than it is in the wider population, based on how many votes they got.
significant support for UKIP on the UKIP threads?

who da thunk it.

colonel c

7,890 posts

239 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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Racism is so last year. Sexism is the new racism.


JagLover

42,413 posts

235 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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Countdown said:
Could you perhaps point me towards these polls?

UKIP scored (IIRC) 13% in the 2010 election. They scored significantly less earlier this year. My memory isn't what it used to be but you really only need to look at the UKIP threads to see that support for them on NP&E is significantly more than it is in the wider population, based on how many votes they got.
Like this?

2015 election 51% Conservative

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

105 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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colonel c said:
Racism is so last year. Sexism is the new racism.
Inappropriate behaviour is the new sexism

I wonder what it will be next week.......

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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colonel c said:
Racism is so last year. Sexism is the new racism.
Perhaps even sexism is sexy ?

otolith

56,132 posts

204 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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AW111 said:
Use of the terms "virtue signalling" and "social justice warrior" in the same sentence tells us all we need to know about hairyben.
That he has committed a thoughtcrime which could be eliminated if only we could expunge those words (and thus those ideas) from the language?

Countdown

39,890 posts

196 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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JagLover said:
Like this?

2015 election 51% Conservative

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Ok. But it does kind of prove the point that NP&E really isn't representative of the wider public and is significantly right-wing biased.

Cons get 51% on poll vs 42% in reality
UKIP 31 % in poll vs 1.8% in reality
Labour 4% in poll vs 40%+ in reality

Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

154 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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Countdown said:
Ok. But it does kind of prove the point that NP&E really isn't representative of the wider public and is significantly right-wing biased.

Cons get 51% on poll vs 42% in reality
UKIP 31 % in poll vs 1.8% in reality
Labour 4% in poll vs 40%+ in reality
Doesnt feel it though, feels very left wing to me.
Maybe the left shouts louder giving that impression.

jjlynn27

7,935 posts

109 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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otolith said:
AW111 said:
Use of the terms "virtue signalling" and "social justice warrior" in the same sentence tells us all we need to know about hairyben.
That he has committed a thoughtcrime which could be eliminated if only we could expunge those words (and thus those ideas) from the language?
No.

That he is parroting those words now, just because breitbart told him that it's rather cool to use them.


otolith

56,132 posts

204 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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They have well understood meanings. And, yes, use of those words suggests a particular political slant, just as if I were to say something like “your misgendering of people amounts to microaggressions arising from your cisnormative privilege” that would probably contain enough words from a particular lexicon to politically pigeonhole me. But they’re just words. You know what “virtue signalling” is, and what a “social justice warrior” is, why not play the ball?