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Zod said:
Europa1 said:
Tankrizzo said:
This is just b
ks, I'm a Tory voter but the last few months, including the election, just seem an enormous omnishambles.
Corbo must be rubbing his hands together, he will see his support go up purely due to incompetence in government.
Indeed; the current government has the whiff of the last few months of the John Major era.ks, I'm a Tory voter but the last few months, including the election, just seem an enormous omnishambles.Corbo must be rubbing his hands together, he will see his support go up purely due to incompetence in government.
The crucial difference is that there isn’t a credible middle ground alternative, which imho makes May and the government’s position quite safe for the foreseeable future.
I would still expect May to win in an election against Corbyn because the alternative is still Corbyn and far left politics.
El stovey said:
It reminds me very much of the end of the major era.
The crucial difference is that there isn’t a credible middle ground alternative, which imho makes May and the government’s position quite safe for the foreseeable future.
I would still expect May to win in an election against Corbyn because the alternative is still Corbyn and far left politics.
I was thinking of the similarities with the end of the Major era also.The crucial difference is that there isn’t a credible middle ground alternative, which imho makes May and the government’s position quite safe for the foreseeable future.
I would still expect May to win in an election against Corbyn because the alternative is still Corbyn and far left politics.
I'm not so sure May would win against Corbyn at the moment though. He has been sensible in keeping his head down while the Tory fiasco is daily news.
There will be a point, perhaps alreay reached, where the electorate just want a change.
jjlynn27 said:
El stovey said:
I would still expect May to win in an election against Corbyn because the alternative is still Corbyn and far left politics.
I really, really hope that you are right. hyphen said:
jjlynn27 said:
El stovey said:
I would still expect May to win in an election against Corbyn because the alternative is still Corbyn and far left politics.
I really, really hope that you are right. TheFlyingBanana said:
El stovey said:
It reminds me very much of the end of the major era.
The crucial difference is that there isn’t a credible middle ground alternative, which imho makes May and the government’s position quite safe for the foreseeable future.
I would still expect May to win in an election against Corbyn because the alternative is still Corbyn and far left politics.
I was thinking of the similarities with the end of the Major era also.The crucial difference is that there isn’t a credible middle ground alternative, which imho makes May and the government’s position quite safe for the foreseeable future.
I would still expect May to win in an election against Corbyn because the alternative is still Corbyn and far left politics.
I'm not so sure May would win against Corbyn at the moment though. He has been sensible in keeping his head down while the Tory fiasco is daily news.
There will be a point, perhaps alreay reached, where the electorate just want a change.
Don’t get me wrong, I think if labour put pretty much any centrist candidate in against the conservatives at the moment, they would be in with a very good chance of winning. Until the parliamentary Labour Party can get rid of Corbyn then that won’t happen. Corbyn is safe as he’s so popular with students and the unions but that’s not enough to win an election.
I simply can’t see floating middle ground voters going for Corbyn when there’s a safe middle ground PM like May as an alternative.
Major lost because labour moved away from the left with Blair. A blairite labour candidate would win easily at the moment in my view. In fact I would even go as far as to say that Tony Blair himself might beat May in an election if it was next week.
El stovey said:
TheFlyingBanana said:
El stovey said:
It reminds me very much of the end of the major era.
The crucial difference is that there isn’t a credible middle ground alternative, which imho makes May and the government’s position quite safe for the foreseeable future.
I would still expect May to win in an election against Corbyn because the alternative is still Corbyn and far left politics.
I was thinking of the similarities with the end of the Major era also.The crucial difference is that there isn’t a credible middle ground alternative, which imho makes May and the government’s position quite safe for the foreseeable future.
I would still expect May to win in an election against Corbyn because the alternative is still Corbyn and far left politics.
I'm not so sure May would win against Corbyn at the moment though. He has been sensible in keeping his head down while the Tory fiasco is daily news.
There will be a point, perhaps alreay reached, where the electorate just want a change.
Don’t get me wrong, I think if labour put pretty much any centrist candidate in against the conservatives at the moment, they would be in with a very good chance of winning. Until the parliamentary Labour Party can get rid of Corbyn then that won’t happen. Corbyn is safe as he’s so popular with students and the unions but that’s not enough to win an election.
I simply can’t see floating middle ground voters going for Corbyn when there’s a safe middle ground PM like May as an alternative.
Major lost because labour moved away from the left with Blair. A blairite labour candidate would win easily at the moment in my view. In fact I would even go as far as to say that Tony Blair himself might beat May in an election if it was next week.
He was liked but other members were distasteful to many.
I don't think Theresa May is even liked. Best I hear in relation to her is sympathy.
Mrs Thatcher and Mr Blair didn't win elections because people felt sorry for them
So I sort of agree with you but I think that a lot of Tory voters are royally peed off with the party. And whats a little more worrying is that some I know feel they are taken for granted- that is dangerous.
I can't believe that Corbyn has been wise enough just to keep quiet while all this is going on. He looks, absolutely unbelievably so, statesmanlike.
Myself, I think there is a lot of delusion going on among the Tory faithful on here. I've a conservative by nature. But if there were an election tomorrow - Labour would destroy the present gouvernment. I'm not saying they would do any better when actually IN power though. But they'd win an election, easily.
I thought Patel was the one chance the Conservatives had against Labour - the one candidate that just didn't play into Labour's hands. Seems they really are absolute idiots.
Myself, I think there is a lot of delusion going on among the Tory faithful on here. I've a conservative by nature. But if there were an election tomorrow - Labour would destroy the present gouvernment. I'm not saying they would do any better when actually IN power though. But they'd win an election, easily.
I thought Patel was the one chance the Conservatives had against Labour - the one candidate that just didn't play into Labour's hands. Seems they really are absolute idiots.
techiedave said:
So I sort of agree with you but I think that a lot of Tory voters are royally peed off with the party. And whats a little more worrying is that some I know feel they are taken for granted- that is dangerous.
Sure but if the choice for Tory voters or floating voters is still May or Corbyn, May will win every time. The only way I could see Corbyn winning is if hundreds of thousands of conservative voters simply don’t vote. May has the middle and the right. Corbyn only has the left. I can’t see Corbyn ever attracting enough of the middle.
He can only win if people who always vote conservative don’t show up.
Plus the conservatives have shoved a reluctant May down the ramp on a bmx towards the Brexit jump. She might pull it off and land amazingly or she might crash In dismal failure. Not many people would want to step in and replace May at the last minute though,
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W124 said:
I'm not sure that's true. There are a lot of remain Tories who would, as a last resort, vote for Corbyn if he could steer a reasonable Brexit course that keeps us in the SM. Brexit is still there, as you say. I rarely vote Labour. But I would in those circumstances.
The thing that scares me most about people voting for Corbyn is John McDonnell as Chancellor.Atomic12C said:
What was she 'negotiating' ?
If any of it is in the UK national interest then thats a good thing IMO.
Doesn't matter if it was a brilliant piece of international diplomacy. She is a government official and she had no government authorisation to do it. She's toast - and rightly so.If any of it is in the UK national interest then thats a good thing IMO.
Europa1 said:
W124 said:
I'm not sure that's true. There are a lot of remain Tories who would, as a last resort, vote for Corbyn if he could steer a reasonable Brexit course that keeps us in the SM. Brexit is still there, as you say. I rarely vote Labour. But I would in those circumstances.
The thing that scares me most about people voting for Corbyn is John McDonnell as Chancellor.Eric Mc said:
Europa1 said:
The thing that scares me most about people voting for Corbyn is John McDonnell as Chancellor.
Yes - he turning out to be far more of a concern than "Cuddly Uncle Jeremy".
768 said:
El stovey said:
I simply can’t see floating middle ground voters going for Corbyn when there’s a safe middle ground PM like May as an alternative.
I'd have said the same before the last election.Now, I just hope she can hold out until nearer the end of the term.
May is no longer seen as a safe pair of hands in any sense.
Labour may grab a few more votes from Brexit-Remain Conservatives if they think having him in No 10 for a few years will postpone Brexit. (Even if they're wrong).
Labour may even grab a few more votes from Leavers given his historic euroskepticism.
Those calling him "unelectable" may be suffering from wishful thinking at this stage. I've never voted Labour in my life but would be very tempted at an election tomorrow as our current government is an embarrassment.
Strong and Stable
Tankrizzo said:
Remember the government majority is whisker-thin. Just a small percentage of disillusioned Tory voters not bothering to turn out in key constituencies would have a massive effect.
Well I guess that also depends if the electoral authorities are to sort out voter fraud or not in the next election.If its sorted the votes for the left are likely to half
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