Priti Patel

[Derek Smith]

markyb_lcy said:

My father was a victim of workplace bullying and eventually was pushed into early retirement. He’s not a man that ever experienced anything like it in his career previously. He was very hard working and loyal but not afraid to speak his mind. That said, he isn’t someone who was particularly rebellious.

He was working at a university in estates and building management. His long-time boss retired and a new guy came in. This guy wanted to change things up quite significantly and pushed a few people out. My dad was seeing out his years to retirement.

The new boss, along with his appointed underlings whom he has worked with before, sidelined my dad, undermined him to his peers and engaged in bullying tactics ... shouting, swearing, threatening behaviour etc.

I can honestly say the change in my dad was enormous. He lost a lot of his mojo and became depressed. Eventually he began to take anti depressants, something I could never imagine my dad doing.

The university Hr dept were woefully unprepared for dealing with such a situation. In the end, they and him negotiated an early retirement with most of the final salary pension he was seeing out his years for. Shortly afterwards he had a heart attack for which he attributes to cause to be, at least in part, workplace stress and depression.

Now I hope people will just take this at face value and not question me over it, but afaik bullying of over 50s in the workplace is alive and well and I know because it has affected my family.

I've got a rich cousin. Multi-millionaire. He lives in six converted back-to-back cottages, all rooms off rooms. Delightful. Dates from the early 19thC. It had the scouts’ hut in his garden, as you do.

He was a child prodigy/genius, going to university when 16. He left after one year and started work. He made some sort of executive in a multi-national in telecommunications. He was happy in his post and lacked ambition. He started a family and spent wisely. His hobby was inventing things. His company wanted him to go abroad. He refused. They moved his secretary to another chap (all males of course, this is the 70s), removed his office carpet to replace it, but never did, and then moved his office. It was not a good career move to be seen with him.

He cracked up, went on crude anti-depressants and got hooked. He left.

He made his hobbies into a job and soon was stinking rich. Now multi millions. If you play golf, you almost certainly access one of his systems. Kerching! The company ceased trading in 1990 or so, the time he was reaping it in.

It's not so much bad management as nonsensical. They couldn't totally dictate to my cousin, but had the 'we pay him, he does what we tell him' mindset.

It is criminal. He was very ill for a long time, contemplated suicide.

I know that the employees who do just enough not to cross the line into discipline are irritating. But the answer is not to bully, not to force your ideas, but to work with them.

Not only that, other employees must be affected by the bullying as well. What’s often forgotten is that Voltaire, when he said pour encourager les autres, he was ridiculing the English method of management. Nothing changes it seems, as shown by Patel.

[markyb_lcy]

Derek Smith said:

I've got a rich cousin. Multi-millionaire. He lives in six converted back-to-back cottages, all rooms off rooms. Delightful. Dates from the early 19thC. It had the scouts’ hut in his garden, as you do.

He was a child prodigy/genius, going to university when 16. He left after one year and started work. He made some sort of executive in a multi-national in telecommunications. He was happy in his post and lacked ambition. He started a family and spent wisely. His hobby was inventing things. His company wanted him to go abroad. He refused. They moved his secretary to another chap (all males of course, this is the 70s), removed his office carpet to replace it, but never did, and then moved his office. It was not a good career move to be seen with him.

He cracked up, went on crude anti-depressants and got hooked. He left.

He made his hobbies into a job and soon was stinking rich. Now multi millions. If you play golf, you almost certainly access one of his systems. Kerching! The company ceased trading in 1990 or so, the time he was reaping it in.

It's not so much bad management as nonsensical. They couldn't totally dictate to my cousin, but had the 'we pay him, he does what we tell him' mindset.

It is criminal. He was very ill for a long time, contemplated suicide.

I know that the employees who do just enough not to cross the line into discipline are irritating. But the answer is not to bully, not to force your ideas, but to work with them.

Not only that, other employees must be affected by the bullying as well. What’s often forgotten is that Voltaire, when he said pour encourager les autres, he was ridiculing the English method of management. Nothing changes it seems, as shown by Patel.

Thanks for sharing, Derek! I’m glad he managed to turn things around and become successful on his own!

[shed driver]

After reading all these I am raising a glass to one of my former colleagues who killed herself ten years ago after a campaign of name calling at work.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1294580/N...

It's not a case of "man up" or "grow a pair" - I've seen at first hand what happens. I also have to work with some of those who were allegedly implicated in Margaret's death. Workplace bullying is toxic and has no place in modern society.

I realise that there is a fine line between "robust management" and bullying, but in Priti Patel's case it has been independently reported she is a bully. She has no place in government. In my book she should not even be in a job.

SD.

[bitchstewie]

shed driver said:

After reading all these I am raising a glass to one of my former colleagues who killed herself ten years ago after a campaign of name calling at work.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1294580/N...

It's not a case of "man up" or "grow a pair" - I've seen at first hand what happens. I also have to work with some of those who were allegedly implicated in Margaret's death. Workplace bullying is toxic and has no place in modern society.

I realise that there is a fine line between "robust management" and bullying, but in Priti Patel's case it has been independently reported she is a bully. She has no place in government. In my book she should not even be in a job.

SD.

That's bloody awful

[Derek Smith]

markyb_lcy said:

Thanks for sharing, Derek! I’m glad he managed to turn things around and become successful on his own!

Thanks. He carries the scars still. Mind you, we are all affected by out pasts, but his was avoidable. Not only that, the firm cost themselves by such tactics to productive staff. They used some of his ideas to become more efficient and to be profitable. Why risk that? Why lose that? He gave back more than the cost of his salary and benefits by the stuff he did outside of his work.

In the end, the firm folded, after the bosses took their shares. All the staff lost their jobs.

He wrote music as a kid, around 8 and 10; he read newspapers from cover to cover when 6, the local library saving them for him for the next day; he had a classroom of his own in a grammar school for certain; he was held up by aunts to use against my brother and me when we failed at anything.

He came to visit once when I was building a radio controlled sailing yacht. He was into slope-soaring big time. He took an interest, as I knew he would, and redesigned the steering systems. Everyone in my club copied it, one writing an article for a magazine. It took him 15 mins or so, a piece of paper and a pencil. He couldn't help himelf. Go to his house, and he'd show the changes he'd installed. There were wires and such that looked unsafe, but he wasn't that keen on aethetics.

He built his own control system for a telescope mount, so that it would follow a star, a planet or the Moon for photography. Awe inspiring. But, it has to be said, a bit weird.

His father was a stoker on a coastal tramp. From that to executive in a large multi-national by 22.

[Unknown_User]

Unbelievably, our Home Secretary once again shows the entire world how utterly unfit for office she is by incredibly posting on social media about a live court case.....

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/priti-patel...

So, should the inept Patel face Contempt of Court charges?

[Blackpuddin]

markyb_lcy said:

bhstewie said:

Christ

I mean you read about these things but there's something a bit raw when it's laid out right in front of you like that.

Hope your dad has made a recovery and I hope people reading that reflect a bit.

He was happily enjoying his retirement with my mum living in a camper travelling around Europe, until covid put paid to that. Thankfully they hadn’t sold their house!

Thanks for your kind words.

I'd like to add my sympathies to your dad. Both my partner and my daughter work in the education sector and I have been regularly appalled by some of the management/HR stuff that goes on there. Both of them have been bullied and mentally abused despite being totally conscientious and caring about the children under their care. I sometimes wonder if that's where they 'went wrong' as their efforts to do the right thing by the kids have usually turned out to be the opposite of what management and HR people seemed to want. Management issues seemed to be more a result of ineptitude than anything else, people being promoted away from their core skills into work they weren't comfortable with or qualified to carry out, but the attitude of jumped-up HR people was both calculating and utterly repugnant.

[anonymoususer]

Unknown_User said:

Unbelievably, our Home Secretary once again shows the entire world how utterly unfit for office she is by incredibly posting on social media about a live court case.....

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/priti-patel...

So, should the inept Patel face Contempt of Court charges?

She was trying to show compassion I think
Funnily enough Pritti Patel does feature in some of my odd dreams but only when she is being mean

[markyb_lcy]

Blackpuddin said:

markyb_lcy said:

bhstewie said:

Christ

I mean you read about these things but there's something a bit raw when it's laid out right in front of you like that.

Hope your dad has made a recovery and I hope people reading that reflect a bit.

He was happily enjoying his retirement with my mum living in a camper travelling around Europe, until covid put paid to that. Thankfully they hadn’t sold their house!

Thanks for your kind words.

I'd like to add my sympathies to your dad. Both my partner and my daughter work in the education sector and I have been regularly appalled by some of the management/HR stuff that goes on there. Both of them have been bullied and mentally abused despite being totally conscientious and caring about the children under their care. I sometimes wonder if that's where they 'went wrong' as their efforts to do the right thing by the kids have usually turned out to be the opposite of what management and HR people seemed to want. Management issues seemed to be more a result of ineptitude than anything else, people being promoted away from their core skills into work they weren't comfortable with or qualified to carry out, but the attitude of jumped-up HR people was both calculating and utterly repugnant.

Thanks Blackpuddin, and to others for their kind words of support.

Workplace bullying is a serious problem and there are examples of it in all industries and at all levels of seniority.

My feeling is that HR people know which side their bread is buttered on, and will always work in the perceived best interests of their employers.

[JuniorD]

anonymoususer said:

Unknown_User said:

Unbelievably, our Home Secretary once again shows the entire world how utterly unfit for office she is by incredibly posting on social media about a live court case.....

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/priti-patel...

So, should the inept Patel face Contempt of Court charges?

She was trying to show compassion I think
Funnily enough Pritti Patel does feature in some of my odd dreams but only when she is being mean

Compassion? She says she didn't write it herself: “I didn’t personally write it, but I issued the tweet. Some of my tweets are written for me, and in that instance that was drafted for me … It was drawn to my attention at the time that obviously the case was ongoing and therefore the tweet should be removed.”

True to form, when asked if she accepted she had made a mistake to comment while the trial was ongoing, Ms Patel told BBC Breakfast on Tuesday: “We were asked to remove that tweet, so we did the right thing and absolutely removed that tweet.”

So no apology, shirking personal responsibility ( "we" ), and using the irrelevant adverb "absolutely" as emphasis to give themselves on the back

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pri...

[Unknown_User]

JuniorD said:

anonymoususer said:

Unknown_User said:

Unbelievably, our Home Secretary once again shows the entire world how utterly unfit for office she is by incredibly posting on social media about a live court case.....

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/priti-patel...

So, should the inept Patel face Contempt of Court charges?

She was trying to show compassion I think
Funnily enough Pritti Patel does feature in some of my odd dreams but only when she is being mean

Compassion? She says she didn't write it herself: “I didn’t personally write it, but I issued the tweet. Some of my tweets are written for me, and in that instance that was drafted for me … It was drawn to my attention at the time that obviously the case was ongoing and therefore the tweet should be removed.”

True to form, when asked if she accepted she had made a mistake to comment while the trial was ongoing, Ms Patel told BBC Breakfast on Tuesday: “We were asked to remove that tweet, so we did the right thing and absolutely removed that tweet.”

So no apology, shirking personal responsibility ( "we" ), and using the irrelevant adverb "absolutely" as emphasis to give themselves on the back

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pri...

Apology? I think you misunderstand, Priti was obviously referring to the Withdrawal Agreement.

And not referring to a live trial that had to be stopped due to her utter incompetence. Ask yourself, who else has history of interring with important trials - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48950672

The similarities are startling! As opposed to the outcomes......

[ClaphamGT3]

JuniorD said:

anonymoususer said:

Unknown_User said:

Unbelievably, our Home Secretary once again shows the entire world how utterly unfit for office she is by incredibly posting on social media about a live court case.....

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/priti-patel...

So, should the inept Patel face Contempt of Court charges?

She was trying to show compassion I think
Funnily enough Pritti Patel does feature in some of my odd dreams but only when she is being mean

Compassion? She says she didn't write it herself: “I didn’t personally write it, but I issued the tweet. Some of my tweets are written for me, and in that instance that was drafted for me … It was drawn to my attention at the time that obviously the case was ongoing and therefore the tweet should be removed.”

True to form, when asked if she accepted she had made a mistake to comment while the trial was ongoing, Ms Patel told BBC Breakfast on Tuesday: “We were asked to remove that tweet, so we did the right thing and absolutely removed that tweet.”

So no apology, shirking personal responsibility ( "we" ), and using the irrelevant adverb "absolutely" as emphasis to give themselves on the back

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pri...

The problem with Patel as Home Secretary is not that she holds wholly repugnant personal views on a range of issues - although she does; it's not that she has proven herself time and again to be dishonest and lacking the integrity required for public office - although she has; it's not that she doesn't have the professional experience to run a large, complex Govt department - although she hasn't. The real issue with Patel is that she's as thick as mince

[jamoor]

ClaphamGT3 said:

The problem with Patel as Home Secretary is not that she holds wholly repugnant personal views on a range of issues - although she does; it's not that she has proven herself time and again to be dishonest and lacking the integrity required for public office - although she has; it's not that she doesn't have the professional experience to run a large, complex Govt department - although she hasn't. The real issue with Patel is that she's as thick as mince

She's just one of the incompetent lot that make up this Govt. Nothing more nothing less.

[anonymoususer]

JuniorD said:

anonymoususer said:

Unknown_User said:

Unbelievably, our Home Secretary once again shows the entire world how utterly unfit for office she is by incredibly posting on social media about a live court case.....

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/priti-patel...

So, should the inept Patel face Contempt of Court charges?

She was trying to show compassion I think
Funnily enough Pritti Patel does feature in some of my odd dreams but only when she is being mean

Compassion? She says she didn't write it herself: “I didn’t personally write it, but I issued the tweet. Some of my tweets are written for me, and in that instance that was drafted for me … It was drawn to my attention at the time that obviously the case was ongoing and therefore the tweet should be removed.”

True to form, when asked if she accepted she had made a mistake to comment while the trial was ongoing, Ms Patel told BBC Breakfast on Tuesday: “We were asked to remove that tweet, so we did the right thing and absolutely removed that tweet.”

So no apology, shirking personal responsibility ( "we" ), and using the irrelevant adverb "absolutely" as emphasis to give themselves on the back

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pri...

One of those black basque typr adverts and her repeating naughty boy

[nigelpugh7]

anonymoususer said:

One of those black basque typr adverts and her repeating naughty boy

Wait what?

There’s pictures of Prit Patel in a black basque?

Please share the link!

[anonymous-user]

nigelpugh7 said:

anonymoususer said:

One of those black basque typr adverts and her repeating naughty boy

Wait what?

There’s pictures of Prit Patel in a black basque?

Please share the link!

Haven’t you seen the leaked photos from a while ago? You’re in for a right treat if that’s your thing.

I’m not posting them here as they’re nsfw

[nigelpugh7]

El stovey said:

Haven’t you seen the leaked photos from a while ago? You’re in for a right treat if that’s your thing.

I’m not posting them here as they’re nsfw

Gosh no! Missed those!

[Electro1980]

ClaphamGT3 said:

JuniorD said:

anonymoususer said:

Unknown_User said:

Unbelievably, our Home Secretary once again shows the entire world how utterly unfit for office she is by incredibly posting on social media about a live court case.....

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/priti-patel...

So, should the inept Patel face Contempt of Court charges?

She was trying to show compassion I think
Funnily enough Pritti Patel does feature in some of my odd dreams but only when she is being mean

Compassion? She says she didn't write it herself: “I didn’t personally write it, but I issued the tweet. Some of my tweets are written for me, and in that instance that was drafted for me … It was drawn to my attention at the time that obviously the case was ongoing and therefore the tweet should be removed.”

True to form, when asked if she accepted she had made a mistake to comment while the trial was ongoing, Ms Patel told BBC Breakfast on Tuesday: “We were asked to remove that tweet, so we did the right thing and absolutely removed that tweet.”

So no apology, shirking personal responsibility ( "we" ), and using the irrelevant adverb "absolutely" as emphasis to give themselves on the back

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pri...

The problem with Patel as Home Secretary is not that she holds wholly repugnant personal views on a range of issues - although she does; it's not that she has proven herself time and again to be dishonest and lacking the integrity required for public office - although she has; it's not that she doesn't have the professional experience to run a large, complex Govt department - although she hasn't. The real issue with Patel is that she's as thick as mince

If she wasn’t the last she would be able to contain, control, justify or plain hide the other ones enough to look competent and get through some of her less than savoury ideas.

[shed driver]

ClaphamGT3 said:

The problem with Patel as Home Secretary is not that she holds wholly repugnant personal views on a range of issues - although she does; it's not that she has proven herself time and again to be dishonest and lacking the integrity required for public office - although she has; it's not that she doesn't have the professional experience to run a large, complex Govt department - although she hasn't. The real issue with Patel is that she's as thick as mince

Patel or Abbott? Both thick as mince and neither should be anywhere near one of the great offices of state. Who is worse though?

SD.

[markyb_lcy]

shed driver said:

ClaphamGT3 said:

The problem with Patel as Home Secretary is not that she holds wholly repugnant personal views on a range of issues - although she does; it's not that she has proven herself time and again to be dishonest and lacking the integrity required for public office - although she has; it's not that she doesn't have the professional experience to run a large, complex Govt department - although she hasn't. The real issue with Patel is that she's as thick as mince

Patel or Abbott? Both thick as mince and neither should be anywhere near one of the great offices of state. Who is worse though?

SD.

Erm, the one that has her grubby hands on the levers of power?