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El stovey said:
Guido. 
Love the way he’s some trustworthy fact checker when it’s about his own team but just posts fake news about everyone else.
Not a particularly reliable source for anything imho.
Actually, Guido seems pretty reliable to me. He is clearly more on the "right", but on factual matters he is pretty good - unless you can point to some example where you think he has been wrong?Love the way he’s some trustworthy fact checker when it’s about his own team but just posts fake news about everyone else.
Not a particularly reliable source for anything imho.
rscott said:
The Byline Times story didn't say Patel was responsible for it, but that her department was. They also claimed to have asked for more detail but the HO wasn't forthcoming.
Guido's unnamed (and unofficial) source simply confirmed that most of the Primark spending on clothing for refugees. No explanation why 'most' not 'all'.
If they (or you) are claiming this specific government spending is inappropriate - then publish the specific details. If they need to wait a short period of time for clarification, then wait a short period, until you can be clear. What doesn't help is to publish the spending details, and imply it is inappropriate by inferring it is for beauty treatments etc. As when it turns out to be for PPE it just becomes boring, fake news, shared by morons with an axe to grind.Guido's unnamed (and unofficial) source simply confirmed that most of the Primark spending on clothing for refugees. No explanation why 'most' not 'all'.
EddieSteadyGo said:
rscott said:
The Byline Times story didn't say Patel was responsible for it, but that her department was. They also claimed to have asked for more detail but the HO wasn't forthcoming.
Guido's unnamed (and unofficial) source simply confirmed that most of the Primark spending on clothing for refugees. No explanation why 'most' not 'all'.
If they (or you) are claiming this specific government spending is inappropriate - then publish the specific details. If they need to wait a short period of time for clarification, then wait a short period, until you can be clear. What doesn't help is to publish the spending details, and imply it is inappropriate by inferring it is for beauty treatments etc. As when it turns out to be for PPE it just becomes boring, fake news, shared by morons with an axe to grind.Guido's unnamed (and unofficial) source simply confirmed that most of the Primark spending on clothing for refugees. No explanation why 'most' not 'all'.
Then suddenly an unnamed, unofficial source gives the details to another publication.
That's my concern - that the information isn't properly available to all.
To be fair, the article did mention that the beauty company were also a PPE supplier, but as they couldn't get more details, couldn't confirm one way or the other.
EddieSteadyGo said:
El stovey said:
Guido.
Love the way he’s some trustworthy fact checker when it’s about his own team but just posts fake news about everyone else.
Not a particularly reliable source for anything imho.
Actually, Guido seems pretty reliable to me. He is clearly more on the "right", but on factual matters he is pretty good - unless you can point to some example where you think he has been wrong?Love the way he’s some trustworthy fact checker when it’s about his own team but just posts fake news about everyone else.
Not a particularly reliable source for anything imho.
In the bbc today program there was no reference to the EU at all and it was actually after comments made by US organisations about AZ efficacy.
https://order-order.com/2021/03/25/listen-astrazen...
El stovey said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
El stovey said:
Guido.
Love the way he’s some trustworthy fact checker when it’s about his own team but just posts fake news about everyone else.
Not a particularly reliable source for anything imho.
Actually, Guido seems pretty reliable to me. He is clearly more on the "right", but on factual matters he is pretty good - unless you can point to some example where you think he has been wrong?Love the way he’s some trustworthy fact checker when it’s about his own team but just posts fake news about everyone else.
Not a particularly reliable source for anything imho.
In the bbc today program there was no reference to the EU at all and it was actually after comments made by US organisations about AZ efficacy.
https://order-order.com/2021/03/25/listen-astrazen...
Their problems getting the vaccine approved in the US seem like small beer in comparision.
So it seems more likely that, if senior execs at AZN are saying they wouldn't follow the same strategy again, the problem is more with EU commision than US officials.
EddieSteadyGo said:
El stovey said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
El stovey said:
Guido.
Love the way he’s some trustworthy fact checker when it’s about his own team but just posts fake news about everyone else.
Not a particularly reliable source for anything imho.
Actually, Guido seems pretty reliable to me. He is clearly more on the "right", but on factual matters he is pretty good - unless you can point to some example where you think he has been wrong?Love the way he’s some trustworthy fact checker when it’s about his own team but just posts fake news about everyone else.
Not a particularly reliable source for anything imho.
In the bbc today program there was no reference to the EU at all and it was actually after comments made by US organisations about AZ efficacy.
https://order-order.com/2021/03/25/listen-astrazen...
Their problems getting the vaccine approved in the US seem like small beer in comparision.
So it seems more likely that, if senior execs at AZN are saying they wouldn't follow the same strategy again, the problem is more with EU commision than US officials.
Guido referenced the comments about AZ not doing it for cost again based on the EU in an interview in today but there was no reference to the EU at all.
The only fact was that the interviewer said he’d heard people at AZ say they maybe wouldn’t do it again at cost based on what Pfizer etc were making.
Guido made up everything about it being due to the EU.
Don’t you think this article is at least a bit misleading?
EddieSteadyGo said:
El stovey said:
Don’t you think this article is at least a bit misleading?
I agree that you couldn't base that article solely on the Fergus Walsh clip from The Today programme. I'd say though that the conclusion it is pretty much spot on, when you know about the broader news content.The BBC interview doesn’t mention the EU at all.
The article is a classic misleading article where there’s some facts - AZ sources said unofficially that they maybe wouldn’t do it again for cost.
And guido links it to the EU and says that’s what the interview said but it isn’t true at all.
The conclusion is pure speculation based on guido’s opinion but he makes out it comes from AZ themselves.
Many of his articles are like this where there’s opinion dressed as fact but here he even (unusually) mentions the source which when you listen to the interview we see it simply isn’t true.
EddieSteadyGo said:
El stovey said:
Don’t you think this article is at least a bit misleading?
I agree that you couldn't base that article solely on the Fergus Walsh clip from The Today programme. I'd say though that the conclusion it is pretty much spot on, when you know about the broader news content.Professor who helped develop the jab says morale at the British drugmaker is being damaged by criticism of its safety and efficacy
EU attacks on AstraZeneca call into question its decision not to profit from its coronavirus vaccine, according to a leading member of the scientific team that delivered the breakthrough.
Sir John Bell, the Oxford University professor who helped mastermind the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine, warned that the company's morale is being damaged by unwarranted criticism of its safety and efficacy.
He said AstraZeneca had "never had credit" for its early decision not to profit from the vaccine and that repeated attacks from the EU and figures including Emmanuel Macron have called it into question.
Sir John said: "There's a point at which AstraZeneca could just say, 'you've got to be joking, we're going to stop [charging cost price] now because we're not getting any credit for what we're doing.
"The share price has gone down, not up. We're making more vaccines than everybody else. This is a safe and effective vaccine, but nobody seems to care."
He highlighted growing frustration within the British drugmaker, which is forgoing profits from its vaccine in contrast with rivals such as Pfizer and its German partner, BioNTech.
Sir John said: "I haven't got a problem with people making money but there's a time and a place. The industry has been saying, look at us. We've been great, we've saved the world. Well, yes. But you made a ton of money as well."
It follows reports that questions were being raised internally at AstraZeneca over whether the company should start charging more.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/03/25/as...
don'tbesilly said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
El stovey said:
Don’t you think this article is at least a bit misleading?
I agree that you couldn't base that article solely on the Fergus Walsh clip from The Today programme. I'd say though that the conclusion it is pretty much spot on, when you know about the broader news content.Professor who helped develop the jab says morale at the British drugmaker is being damaged by criticism of its safety and efficacy
EU attacks on AstraZeneca call into question its decision not to profit from its coronavirus vaccine, according to a leading member of the scientific team that delivered the breakthrough.
Sir John Bell, the Oxford University professor who helped mastermind the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine, warned that the company's morale is being damaged by unwarranted criticism of its safety and efficacy.
He said AstraZeneca had "never had credit" for its early decision not to profit from the vaccine and that repeated attacks from the EU and figures including Emmanuel Macron have called it into question.
Sir John said: "There's a point at which AstraZeneca could just say, 'you've got to be joking, we're going to stop [charging cost price] now because we're not getting any credit for what we're doing.
"The share price has gone down, not up. We're making more vaccines than everybody else. This is a safe and effective vaccine, but nobody seems to care."
He highlighted growing frustration within the British drugmaker, which is forgoing profits from its vaccine in contrast with rivals such as Pfizer and its German partner, BioNTech.
Sir John said: "I haven't got a problem with people making money but there's a time and a place. The industry has been saying, look at us. We've been great, we've saved the world. Well, yes. But you made a ton of money as well."
It follows reports that questions were being raised internally at AstraZeneca over whether the company should start charging more.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/03/25/as...
The article simply isn’t true,
I can't quite work out how you expect to do this in London in 2021 and get away with it 
https://twitter.com/pritipatel/status/139394613963...
https://twitter.com/pritipatel/status/139394613963...
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: I can't quite work out how you expect to do this in London in 2021 and get away with it
https://twitter.com/pritipatel/status/139394613963...
#FREEPALESTINE innit.https://twitter.com/pritipatel/status/139394613963...
Edited by hidetheelephants on Monday 17th May 02:25
hidetheelephants said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I can't quite work out how you expect to do this in London in 2021 and get away with it
https://twitter.com/pritipatel/status/139394613963...
https://twitter.com/pritipatel/status/139394613963...
- FREEPALESTINE innit.
4 arrested.
Imagine my surprise.
Napier barracks: Priti Patel accused of misleading MPs
Napier barracks: Priti Patel accused of misleading MPs
Article said:
Correspondence published yesterday confirmed Public Health England had previously advised against housing asylum seekers in dormitories before the Home Office proceeded with the site regardless in September 2020.
But at a hearing of the home affairs select committee in February this year, Patel told MPs that the Home Office had followed PHE advice throughout.
But at a hearing of the home affairs select committee in February this year, Patel told MPs that the Home Office had followed PHE advice throughout.
shed driver said:
Ministers found to have lied will be expected to tender their resignation - that's part of the ministerial code that she has signed.
I assume that she will be looking in her handbag for a first class stamp as we speak. Or do you think there may be some "excuse"?
SD.
Her and boris are said to be very close so I doubt she has to worry, unless Mrs boris mk5 gets wind of itI assume that she will be looking in her handbag for a first class stamp as we speak. Or do you think there may be some "excuse"?
SD.
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