Priti Patel

[MC Bodge]

turbobloke said:

The attacks on him (Sunak) do no good , backfiring on Starmer, except to reveal the fear in Labour and its supporters that Sunak could turn the tide and help Labour to lose the poll lead handed over by Boris.

Nurse! Nurse!

[Digga]

Boris is a tit. The Conservative party is not what it was and is without any plausible plan for the economy.

However, Starmer is a bit of a dead horse. He sounds like Carol, the bumbling receptionist off the Brittas Empire. He doesn't really capture voters by by way of any convincing polices and principles.

[captain_cynic]

eharding said:

turbobloke said:

Starmer will need much more, he's steadily losing the Boris poll lead atm.

Obviously the figures vary by which polling data is used, but the Politico aggregate data has the Labour lead at 10% on the day Boris resigned on 7th July 2022, and now has the Labour lead at 17%, so it's hard to see how they're steadily losing against their "Boris" poll lead.

Of course, compared to the 30% lead Starmer was enjoying at the absolute nadir of the Truss st-show the gap has obviously narrowed, and did so quite quickly once Truss was defenestrated, but on the face of it Sunak's best efforts brought the lead down to 15% or so in April, and the gap is now widening again - depending on what you deem to be the margin of error to be - but essentially Rishi's gains post Truss are in the noise.

I said from the beginning of Sunak's stewardship, his only job was to ensure that the Tories ended up in opposition in the next GE... Although I'd say he's succeeded that is more down to the SNP imploding rather than any actions Sunak has taken to make the Tories less toxic to voters.

[cgt2]

Digga said:

Boris is a tit. The Conservative party is not what it was and is without any plausible plan for the economy.

However, Starmer is a bit of a dead horse. He sounds like Carol, the bumbling receptionist off the Brittas Empire. He doesn't really capture voters by by way of any convincing polices and principles.

Much like in the US, it will be an anti-incumbent vote thanks to the Tories effectively destroying themselves and making themselves unelectable. Braverman et al are an absolute gift to Labour.

Starmer will be the lucky beneficiary rather than any dynamic and charismatic leadership or genius strategic solutions he is displaying.

[MC Bodge]

cgt2 said:

Braverman et al are an absolute gift to Labour.

I am intrigued by her. Who, if anybody, does she appeal to?

Is it some weird, "it can't be racist, fascist, xenophobic because she is of Asian descent?" thing?

For all the criticism of Starmer, she is hardly impressive, a leader or charismatic.

[bitchstewie]

MC Bodge said:

I am intrigued by her. Who, if anybody, does she appeal to?

Have you been on any of the "yuck migrants" threads on here?

[cgt2]

bhstewie said:

Have you been on any of the "yuck migrants" threads on here?

Elections are won by appealing to the widest possible demographics of society. Indeed this was the key to Conservative electoral success for decades. To decide the fringiest of the fringe right wing elements which are a dwindling base is your path to retaining power is not smart strategy.

[bitchstewie]

That's how elections are won but Sunak has a Parliamentary party and a national membership to try to keep happy and some of them are complete headbangers who are utterly obsessed with migration.

[valiant]

Braverman is on manoeuvres.

She appeals to the headbangers within the membership which, as we’ve seen with Truss, make up the majority of the party.

She won’t make a challenge to the leadership now but will when the they lose the next GE and Rishi inevitably stands down. It’s probably why she hasn’t been fired as it would give her some legitimacy in claiming that Rishi isn’t going far enough and radical enough in dealing with boats, immigrants, protesters, strikers, etc. Sack her now and she’ll be constantly in the headlines until GE time undermining Rishi and the government and when they lose the election can then claim that she was right all along had they only listened to her.

The membership are dense enough to fall for it.

I wouldn’t be surprised if she pushes the boundaries even further to goad Rishi into getting rid.

[captain_cynic]

cgt2 said:

bhstewie said:

Have you been on any of the "yuck migrants" threads on here?

Elections are won by appealing to the widest possible demographics of society. Indeed this was the key to Conservative electoral success for decades. To decide the fringiest of the fringe right wing elements which are a dwindling base is your path to retaining power is not smart strategy.

Conservative election strategy in western countries has largely been based on fear, in particular in Australia the UK and US, fear of migrants. For the last 20 years this has been a winning strategy for them. Fear is like a drug, it wears off quickly and the longer you use it the more resistance you get to it. The fact is fear of funny coloured/accented foreign people isn't working any more but they've backed themselves into this corner by becoming dependent on the racist vote and now they don't have enough other voters to afford alienating said racist vote, so they've doubled down on xenophobia.