Scots to bring in minimum price booze
Discussion
Mark Benson said:
ZedLeg said:
There hasn't half been some pish talked in this thread.
I'm Scottish, I like a drink and I'm for minimum pricing.
This will barely affect the price of most booze. Only the cheapest, most destructive s
te will see a big jump and that's good as far as I'm concerned.
Do you think:I'm Scottish, I like a drink and I'm for minimum pricing.
This will barely affect the price of most booze. Only the cheapest, most destructive s
te will see a big jump and that's good as far as I'm concerned.a) All the people who bought SuperJumboPishead Cider will now simply pay the extra or mend their ways?
or
b) Bootleg booze will now be as common as bootleg cigarettes and put profits and people's safety in the hands of criminals?
It's of course impossible to say at this point how it will affect people's behaviour. The industry must be concerned though, considering it was the Scotch Whisky Association that were holding it up in court. If you believe what you read they were being lobbied by whisky makers who make money selling cheap s
te vodka as well.Not-The-Messiah said:
Was just being disused on five news apparently the experts say that 3000 fewer crimes are expected. Be interesting to see if true, hopefully not one of these useless predictions that continue to erode the confidence the public have in these so called experts.
Does that 3,000 take into account any crimes which will be committed by addicts who will inevitably commit more crime in order to afford the cost of their massively increased addiction?Driver101 said:
I believe the average amount of alcohol sold per head is 15% higher in Scotland than England. Glasgow and other surrounding deprived areas stand out as being the worst. They make up a significant amount of Scotland's population and distort the figures a bit in my opinion.
Never have I crossed the border and noticed anything differently with people's attitude to drink and drugs. The vast majority of the time it is groups of young drunken English guys that are at the centre of trouble any time I've visited a lively holiday resort.
[b]Can you really get 3 litres of 7.5% alcohol for £3.29? That will be £11.25 with the increase.
That's exactly the people I think they are aiming for. People who have the main aim of getting pissed as often and as cheaply as they can.
The price of spirits will hardly be touched. Vodka will be from £13.13 per bottle and 40% alcohol spirits £14. Most of the common spirits are already over the maximum.[/b]
It is just the cheap end drinks that will be hit.
Wonderful - so the alcoholic who has 14 quid in their pocket has a choice between three litres of cider or a 700ml bottle of Vodka. Which does Ms Sturgeon think they'll go for and which is more harmful? Never have I crossed the border and noticed anything differently with people's attitude to drink and drugs. The vast majority of the time it is groups of young drunken English guys that are at the centre of trouble any time I've visited a lively holiday resort.
[b]Can you really get 3 litres of 7.5% alcohol for £3.29? That will be £11.25 with the increase.
That's exactly the people I think they are aiming for. People who have the main aim of getting pissed as often and as cheaply as they can.
The price of spirits will hardly be touched. Vodka will be from £13.13 per bottle and 40% alcohol spirits £14. Most of the common spirits are already over the maximum.[/b]
It is just the cheap end drinks that will be hit.
Edited by Driver101 on Wednesday 15th November 19:13
Edited by AJL308 on Thursday 16th November 18:24
AJL308 said:
Wonderful - so the alcoholic who has 14 quid in their pocket has a choice between three litres of cider or a 700ml bottle of Vodka. Which does Ms Sturgeon think they'll go for and which is more harmful?
If they cost the same they'll have the same amount of units of alcohol. Edited by AJL308 on Thursday 16th November 18:24
If they have the same units of alcohol can one be more dangerous than the other?
ZedLeg said:
I'm not sure how common bootleg fags are but bootleg booze already seems pretty common. You see warnings about bottles of vodka that are dangerous all the time.
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Bootleg fags are endemic, not just the dodgy foreign ones, clones of original packaging are becoming commoner thanks to standardised packaging. £25 net profit on a carton of 200 makes very it profitable..
Moonhawk said:
How are online sales affected by this - what's to stop people just ordering cheap rocket fuel online?
Will online companies not based in Scotland be forced to adapt their pricing based on where the stuff is being delivered to?
Will online companies not based in Scotland be forced to adapt their pricing based on where the stuff is being delivered to?
It'll probably be ok. We can still do mail order for multibuy discounts that haven't been allowed in the shops for years. The drink has to be dispatched outside Scotland.
Main order and delivery costs will probably not make it worthwhile for a weekend binge drinker wanting their drink on short notice.
It'll be like when these multibuys were stopped. A huge kick off at the time and then everyone got on with it. The first few times petrol jumped in price the internet was full if complaints. Nobody blinks an eye at that now either.
I think this is a terrible thing which will ultimately affect the quality of life of the families of high-functioning alcoholics, as money gets diverted to drink that would otherwise have paid for food, bills, school shoes for the kids etc etc.
then also there will probably be a surge in bootlegging cheap booze from the continent, home stills will become popular again, and no doubt an increase in the takeup of illegal drugs.
Mind you if they paired minimum pricing of booze with legalising cannabis, I'd look on it more favourably...
then also there will probably be a surge in bootlegging cheap booze from the continent, home stills will become popular again, and no doubt an increase in the takeup of illegal drugs.
Mind you if they paired minimum pricing of booze with legalising cannabis, I'd look on it more favourably...
Edited by vsonix on Thursday 16th November 19:09
crankedup said:
^^^^^^^^
But it misses the point entirely, although the sentiment and logic might fit. How many people who drink to excess rely on the lowest priced end of booze. Those wealthy bored housewife’s as an example, living in thier surburban smart middle class homes knocking back bottles of wine. Drinking problems are not confined to those with the least money and that is where this nanny policy falls flat.
See you, Jemmy, our Nicola's only bothered aboot the poor...But it misses the point entirely, although the sentiment and logic might fit. How many people who drink to excess rely on the lowest priced end of booze. Those wealthy bored housewife’s as an example, living in thier surburban smart middle class homes knocking back bottles of wine. Drinking problems are not confined to those with the least money and that is where this nanny policy falls flat.
She said so.
TheJimi said:
moanthebairns said:
Well I took Over 200 bottles of frosty jack to the tip Monday morning... That's a lot of money this time next year.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: You know something's wrong when alcohol is practically cheaper than bottled water.
Says more about the price of bottled water than the price of alcohol.Especially when (as has been mentioned already) the UK isn't exactly cheap when it comes to buying the stuff.
Other parts of the world not too far away sell it by the crate for a lot less than Tesco ever would, and you can even buy it at work from the vending machines and the canteen.
moanthebairns said:
TheJimi said:
moanthebairns said:
Well I took Over 200 bottles of frosty jack to the tip Monday morning... That's a lot of money this time next year.
I seem to be a bit weird in that I occasionally enjoy a bottle of Buckfast - it's a guilty pleasure of mine. Yet, until yesterday, I'd never heard of Frosty Jack's!
Lord Marylebone said:
I suppose the big question is:
Why do the Scottish have such a problem with alcohol?
Has the drink made you forget you said the exact same earlier in the thread? Why do the Scottish have such a problem with alcohol?
Doesn't everywhere in the UK have problems with alcohol?
I'd agree certain deprived areas, with a significant percentage of the population of Scotland, have a higher dependency on alcohol. The vast majority of Scotland is no different to England. I don't cross the border and find drinking habits change at all for most places. I do think London is a bit more reserved in their drinking culture.
There's apparently a 15% difference in the consumption levels between Scotland and England. I guess it would be hard to breakdown the figures to see who is consuming what. It would be interesting if numbers accounted for religions that abstain from alcohol.
I'm sure if we managed to compare white Brits from similar backgrounds across the UK their attitude to drink and consumption of alcohol would be similar.
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