Scots to bring in minimum price booze
Discussion
AJL308 said:
It won't though because criminals will sell them illegally imported or stolen Frosty Jack in a completely uncontrolled manner. I watched it happen with tobacco 20 years ago. The same will happen with booze. Nicola Sturgeon is simply too thick to realise. Or she just doesn't give a f
k.
She does come over as generally hard of thinking, and SNP in general do seem to favour a "nanny state" form of politics, Just have to hope this will be the final nail in their coffin..k.
wc98 said:
i have a hard time trying to come up with one sensible piece of legislation they have introduced since the parliament was created. personally i would close it tomorrow, it is a complete waste of money.
If it were sensible, proportionate and necessary, Westminster would already have done it. Goes for the Welsh Assembly and Stormont too.All devolved legislatures do is waste money and virtue-signal.
Indyref should have been :
- OUT - Independence. New, separate country with all that that implies.
- IN - Scotland is part of the United Kingdom. One legal system, one set of national speed limits etc. Sell the Holyrood building to Holiday Inn.
handpaper said:
All devolved legislatures do is waste money and virtue-signal.
This - all in the name of doing things 'differently'. It doesn't matter that the Westminster government comes up with the best solution to a problem, the devolved Scottish executive has to demean it and do something else just to appear to be relevant.AJL308 said:
vsonix said:
If this was Germany you'd have got €0.25 back for each bottle! Ka-ching!
Surely not though. The alcoholic would have got it and used it to subsidise his next purchase?I lived in Hamburg for a couple of years, on Grosse Freiheit, just off the Reeperbahn in the heart of the Red Light District. Every night of the week something like 100,000 people pass through the 1km radius that is the RLD, approximately double that during weekends and holidays. In the UK they would ban public drinking however in Germany it doesn't bother them. Funnily enough there aren't that many beggers/rough sleepers in the area and those that are, don't hassle you for spare change. Instead, they will just scour the streets looking for empties, and rather than beg passers-by for change, they ask you if you've finished the beer you're drinking and if so, would you mind terribly if they took the empty can when you were done.
Now Germany also has very cheap booze in shops - obviously prices will have gone up a bit since I lived there eight years ago but back then you could go into LIDL and buy 500ml of own-brand beer for €0.39 - €0.25 of that was the deposit on the bottle meaning the beer itself was only €0.17! And a one litre PET carton of cheap table wine as favoured by the street-dwelling drinker cost about €1.50.
This meant that 1) the streets basically cleaned themselves as the street drinkers were motivated to pick up everything the revellers dropped and 2) that for a relatively small amount of work collecting empties - say ten or fifteen empty cans - that a street-dweller could afford to buy themselves enough booze to get a buzz on AND a meal.
Combine that with the fact they had plenty of hostels for homeless people and also zero tolerance of hard drug use in the street but provided 'shooting gallery' places for IV drug users to go do their business out of the public eye actually made for a very clean, sanitary 'red light district' experience. Funnily enough the only people that actually begged for change in the street were usually young teenage punk rockers who were basically rebelling against their parents and would panhandle for change just because they could, even if they did have homes to go to at the end of the night. Those who were seriously down and out would support themselves through recycling and not ask people for money.
FourWheelDrift said:
If you actually look at the story, expenditure went up by 10% - I can confirm that is true. Special offers have largely gone away, and prices risen in general. As for consumption rising, the massive 0.7% unit increase is probably due to people having slightly more disposable income. The policy was aimed at reducing sales of super strength code and beer, not really general consumption. abzmike said:
If you actually look at the story, expenditure went up by 10% - I can confirm that is true. Special offers have largely gone away, and prices risen in general. As for consumption rising, the massive 0.7% unit increase is probably due to people having slightly more disposable income. The policy was aimed at reducing sales of super strength code and beer, not really general consumption.
So failed to meet any objectives, thus a resounding success. abzmike said:
If you actually look at the story, expenditure went up by 10% - I can confirm that is true. Special offers have largely gone away, and prices risen in general. As for consumption rising, the massive 0.7% unit increase is probably due to people having slightly more disposable income. The policy was aimed at reducing sales of super strength code and beer, not really general consumption.
Aye, punish everyone because a handful like to get wrecked on cheap cider. Nanny state meddling ste. Holyrood should be closed down.
abzmike said:
eldar said:
So failed to meet any objectives, thus a resounding success.
A more detailed analysis of the effectiveness on different types of consumption than Guido Fawkes was able to concoct is probably in order(order).. technodup said:
abzmike said:
If you actually look at the story, expenditure went up by 10% - I can confirm that is true. Special offers have largely gone away, and prices risen in general. As for consumption rising, the massive 0.7% unit increase is probably due to people having slightly more disposable income. The policy was aimed at reducing sales of super strength code and beer, not really general consumption.
Aye, punish everyone because a handful like to get wrecked on cheap cider. Nanny state meddling ste. Holyrood should be
BlackLabel said:
Minimum alcohol pricing - fails to bring down alcohol consumption; stamp duty increases - fails to generate more cash; reducing drink drive limit - fails to reduce serious accidents.
Nanny state loving SNP go from one failure to another.
Don't forget airgun licencing, another knee jerk policy to penalise the law abiding and make no difference to the abusers.Nanny state loving SNP go from one failure to another.
stevensdrs said:
BlackLabel said:
Minimum alcohol pricing - fails to bring down alcohol consumption; stamp duty increases - fails to generate more cash; reducing drink drive limit - fails to reduce serious accidents.
Nanny state loving SNP go from one failure to another.
Don't forget airgun licencing, another knee jerk policy to penalise the law abiding and make no difference to the abusers.Nanny state loving SNP go from one failure to another.
stevensdrs said:
BlackLabel said:
Minimum alcohol pricing - fails to bring down alcohol consumption; stamp duty increases - fails to generate more cash; reducing drink drive limit - fails to reduce serious accidents.
Nanny state loving SNP go from one failure to another.
Don't forget airgun licencing, another knee jerk policy to penalise the law abiding and make no difference to the abusers.Nanny state loving SNP go from one failure to another.
What I don't understand is all the experts said it would be. It's like maybe all these people calling themselves experts may not actually be so.
You all forgot to mention failed legislation against sectarian behaviour at football matches that resulted in more cases being brought to trial but far fewer convictions being achieved because the law was so badly drafted. Said legislation has since been repealed thanks to even the SNP's bedfellows the Greens realising how poor it was.
When you have a bunch of zealous amateurs playing at gesture politics the results are predictable.
When you have a bunch of zealous amateurs playing at gesture politics the results are predictable.
Edited by Evercross on Thursday 2nd May 06:53
My drinking personally hasn't changed. Actually, its probably worse now. We have an engineer down in England, anytime he's coming into the office we just put a order in for the deals they still get down south.
My cupboard is now full as where before I'd have bought a case if and when I needed it, I'm not a big drinker its more the fact I can't stand this pathetic law. PLUS I'm tight.
My cupboard is now full as where before I'd have bought a case if and when I needed it, I'm not a big drinker its more the fact I can't stand this pathetic law. PLUS I'm tight.
moanthebairns said:
My drinking personally hasn't changed. Actually, its probably worse now. We have an engineer down in England, anytime he's coming into the office we just put a order in for the deals they still get down south.
My cupboard is now full as where before I'd have bought a case if and when I needed it, I'm not a big drinker its more the fact I can't stand this pathetic law. PLUS I'm tight.
I imagine it’s like prohibition, fast cars crossing borders laden with illicit cider and special brew.My cupboard is now full as where before I'd have bought a case if and when I needed it, I'm not a big drinker its more the fact I can't stand this pathetic law. PLUS I'm tight.
Bonnie and Mc Clyde, anyone?
People say this has not affected middle class drinkers, but I was absolutely enraged when I attempted to deploy "my 20% off if you buy a case of fine wine" voucher as emailed to me by Waitrose. Pretty grim when you are paying for a more exclusive shopping experience.
Sainsburys won't even let me include the value of non-alcholic beer in the total shop value I need to to get 3 x nectar points because of this legislation - in fairness though, they let anyone in their shop.
Sainsburys won't even let me include the value of non-alcholic beer in the total shop value I need to to get 3 x nectar points because of this legislation - in fairness though, they let anyone in their shop.
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