Scots to bring in minimum price booze
Discussion
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49831575
Drink sales decrease as Scots:
Drink less,
Waste less,
Drive to England for booze, and/or
Drink their stores of booze,
Etc
Drink sales decrease as Scots:
Drink less,
Waste less,
Drive to England for booze, and/or
Drink their stores of booze,
Etc
simoid said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49831575
Drink sales decrease as Scots:
Drink less,
Waste less,
Drive to England for booze, and/or
Drink their stores of booze,
Etc
It's worse than that though, apparently because "campaigners" think this has worked in Scotland they now think it should be brought in across the UK. Good job duty free is coming back after Brexit, will rejuvenate booze cruises Drink sales decrease as Scots:
Drink less,
Waste less,
Drive to England for booze, and/or
Drink their stores of booze,
Etc
Calais here I come. simoid said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49831575
Drink sales decrease as Scots:
Drink less,
Waste less,
Drive to England for booze, and/or
Drink their stores of booze,
Etc
Easily one of the most unscientific conclusions ever come to and the people reporting it are not even hiding the fact.Drink sales decrease as Scots:
Drink less,
Waste less,
Drive to England for booze, and/or
Drink their stores of booze,
Etc
BBC said:
The introduction of minimum pricing for alcohol in Scotland appears to have cut drinking, a study suggests.
The drop being reported - the equivalent of less than half a pint of normal strength beer or 1/30th of a bottle of spirits a week - is statistically insignificant and that is before you account for the obvious flaws in the research as two important data sets were specifically ignored.The study only measured sales from shops so does not take into account the predicted increases in incidents of shoplifting that were expected following the introduction of the legislation. That alone could cancel out the tiny reduction recorded. I would like to see the researchers correlate their data against the reported incidents of shoplifting of alcohol from before and during the study.
Secondly....
BBC said:
Researchers, led by a team at Newcastle University, looked at how much alcohol people were buying in shops and supermarkets, but not in pubs.
It was a specific aim of the legislation to promote more responsible drinking, encouraging it to be a social activity in pubs and reducing the number of people drinking at home. Co-incidentally the SLTA has reported a small upswing in business since MUP was introduced. Again I would like to see those figures correlated against the study.None of the above will stop the nationalists adding this to the list of insignificant or fake SNP 'successes' though......
Edited by Evercross on Thursday 26th September 10:18
Evercross said:
simoid said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49831575
Drink sales decrease as Scots:
Drink less,
Waste less,
Drive to England for booze, and/or
Drink their stores of booze,
Etc
Easily one of the most unscientific conclusions ever come to and the people reporting it are not even hiding the fact.Drink sales decrease as Scots:
Drink less,
Waste less,
Drive to England for booze, and/or
Drink their stores of booze,
Etc
BBC said:
The introduction of minimum pricing for alcohol in Scotland appears to have cut drinking, a study suggests.
The drop being reported - the equivalent of less than half a pint of normal strength beer or 1/30th of a bottle of spirits a week - is statistically insignificant and that is before you account for the obvious flaws in the research as two important data sets were specifically ignored.The study only measured sales from shops so does not take into account the predicted increases in incidents of shoplifting that were expected following the introduction of the legislation. That alone could cancel out the tiny reduction recorded. I would like to see the researchers correlate their data against the reported incidents of shoplifting of alcohol from before and during the study.
Secondly....
BBC said:
Researchers, led by a team at Newcastle University, looked at how much alcohol people were buying in shops and supermarkets, but not in pubs.
It was a specific aim of the legislation to promote more responsible drinking, encouraging it to be a social activity in pubs and reducing the number of people drinking at home. Co-incidentally the SLTA has reported a small upswing in business since MUP was introduced. Again I would like to see those figures correlated against the study.None of the above will stop the nationalists adding this to the list of insignificant or fake SNP 'successes' though......
Edited by Evercross on Thursday 26th September 10:18
BBC said:
But the team acknowledged there needed to be longer-term follow up to see if the drop was sustained, as there was some evidence that in the later months of 2018 consumption had begun to rise again.
So basically, that figure of half a pint in decreasing.
So basically, that figure of half a pint in decreasing.
It also didn't take into consideration the fact that many people have found they are making a saving by buying it online and having it delivered directly to their door, just the same way the high street shops are losing business to online sellers, the supermarkets and 'wee shoap roond the corner' are definitely not immune to the same concept. Every little helps for wee jakey Jimbo, no longer even has to get off his lazy arse
and put in some leg effort nipping doon to the off licence when the man with the van can drop it right into his hands on the doorstep.
Consider also that the Scottish drug epidemic which the SNP have completely failed to get a grip of might also be another reason the
alcohol figures appear to be down, they are spending their cash on harder stuff.
and put in some leg effort nipping doon to the off licence when the man with the van can drop it right into his hands on the doorstep.
Consider also that the Scottish drug epidemic which the SNP have completely failed to get a grip of might also be another reason the
alcohol figures appear to be down, they are spending their cash on harder stuff.
simoid said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49831575
Drink sales decrease as Scots:
Drink less,
Waste less,
Drive to England for booze, and/or
Drink their stores of booze,
Etc
You missed out robbing more, it would be interesting to see the shop lifting statistics over the same period. Drink sales decrease as Scots:
Drink less,
Waste less,
Drive to England for booze, and/or
Drink their stores of booze,
Etc
Only time will tell if it works and that will be shown with health statistics.
Pastor Of Muppets said:
It also didn't take into consideration the fact that many people have found they are making a saving by buying it online and having it delivered directly to their door.
That's a fair point, although it is not clear from the report if that was factored in or not as data on shop sales could include online purchases from the same shops.If it wasn't then that is another data set wilfully ignored, but even if it was there is every chance that the conclusions being drawn by the news reporter are utterly false and the tiny decrease could be a bigger decrease (highly improbable given the other variables) or more likely no change or a possible increase.
Basically the study and the alleged findings are meaningless and the reporting is not a little disingenuous.
Not-The-Messiah said:
Only time will tell if it works and that will be shown with health statistics.
As someone has already mentioned, the recently announced drug-death stats already point to the potential knock-on effects.Edited by Evercross on Thursday 26th September 11:55
I'd also add that a lot of people have been introduced to drugs after years of easily available legal highs.
I also think I'm reading far more warning about drugs in circulation that have immediately harmful levels of dangerous ingredients.
I don't think the link between minimum pricing and drug deaths is directly related.
I also think I'm reading far more warning about drugs in circulation that have immediately harmful levels of dangerous ingredients.
I don't think the link between minimum pricing and drug deaths is directly related.
Driver101 said:
I don't think the link between minimum pricing and drug deaths is directly related.
I don't think you can assert that with any certainty. The extreme end of the alcohol consumption scale is addiction and addicts will turn to the cheapest, most easily available method they can to get whatever they need.Price alcohol above something else that will satisfy them and the result is obvious. If the stuff they turn to carries a greater risk of death because of impurity the result is even more obvious.
This is not about rational decisions after all.
Evercross said:
Driver101 said:
I don't think the link between minimum pricing and drug deaths is directly related.
I don't think you can assert that with any certainty. The extreme end of the alcohol consumption scale is addiction and addicts will turn to the cheapest, most easily available method they can to get whatever they need.Price alcohol above something else that will satisfy them and the result is obvious. If the stuff they turn to carries a greater risk of death because of impurity the result is even more obvious.
This is not about rational decisions after all.
If you've got an alcohol addiction, why would your addition suddenly turn to drugs? It's not the same addiction.
Driver101 said:
Only with the same amount of certainty than those who say the minimum that hasn't worked and the drug deaths are directly related.
No one has said that. What a news outlet has done is loosely interpret a piece of fundamentally flawed research to suggest that MUP is working. What some posters in here have done is point out the myriad other variables that have been ignored in this research and the indicators that may lead to a different suggestion ie.that MUP has had no or a potentially detrimental effect on public health being just as if not more likely.The research is incomplete to the point that no conclusion can or should be drawn from it, so the report is propaganda ultimately. The debate has to continue, but this will be seen by some as the matter being settled because it suits their agenda or political leanings. That IMO is infinitely more harmful.
On a more general point - the SNP has a poor record on public health according to their own stats. They also have demonstrated a wilfully negligent approach to stating the benefits of some of their other flagship policies on health. See the Scottish Independence thread and the discussion on baby boxes as an example - the SNP led government falsely claimed the boxes would reduce infant mortality and came under significant criticism for this, not least of all from the Finnish government that pioneered the box scheme as part of a bigger project on pre and post-natal engagement with expectant mothers that was the significant contributor to the infant death reduction but the SNP have failed to fully implement.
If MUP is just another example of window dressing then I welcome it being challenged.
Edited by Evercross on Thursday 26th September 14:35
Pastor Of Muppets said:
It also didn't take into consideration the fact that many people have found they are making a saving by buying it online and having it delivered directly to their door, just the same way the high street shops are losing business to online sellers, the supermarkets and 'wee shoap roond the corner' are definitely not immune to the same concept. Every little helps for wee jakey Jimbo, no longer even has to get off his lazy arse
and put in some leg effort nipping doon to the off licence when the man with the van can drop it right into his hands on the doorstep.
Consider also that the Scottish drug epidemic which the SNP have completely failed to get a grip of might also be another reason the
alcohol figures appear to be down, they are spending their cash on harder stuff.
Nor does it consider any rise in the production of home brew.and put in some leg effort nipping doon to the off licence when the man with the van can drop it right into his hands on the doorstep.
Consider also that the Scottish drug epidemic which the SNP have completely failed to get a grip of might also be another reason the
alcohol figures appear to be down, they are spending their cash on harder stuff.
When you bring in a nutcase piece of legislation like MUP you have to be seen to be justified at some point down the line. This engineered release of a very dubious piece of research and the media spin on it is simply trying to make that case. We all know it is pure nonsense but likely to be enough to spread it to the rest of the UK.
poo at Paul's said:
The supermarkets across the border in England have been stocking large quantities of certain favourite booze (strong beers and cider), as it is about 30% cheaper than in Scotland. The new Booze Cruise seems to be to Carlisle or Berwick on Tweed!
Do they? Travel over the border into England and the firm favourites of things like Tennant's lager disappears. They aren't adjusting their stock for demand.
Frosty Jack's was always a corner shop special and not a supermarket favourite.
As far as I have seen the supermarkets in the North of England are following the trends of Scotland. The big cases of lager, cider and cheap brand spirits are being replaced by craft beer, gin and plenty of whisky too.
The days of supermarkets have aisles dedicate to case upon case of every brand lager and cider have long gone.
I don't hear of people doing booze cruises.
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