Scots to bring in minimum price booze
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crankedup said:
Young people, whatever constitutes young? no longer drink to excess as demonstrated previously.
Guessing young people find other forms of activity that is classed as ‘a laugh’ , knitting for instance.
A lot of younger people have given up drink completely. However, loads still go out to get wrecked every weekend. Guessing young people find other forms of activity that is classed as ‘a laugh’ , knitting for instance.
You could ask them to join CAMRA? That's halfway between giving up alcohol and knitting.
Driver101 said:
crankedup said:
Young people, whatever constitutes young? no longer drink to excess as demonstrated previously.
Guessing young people find other forms of activity that is classed as ‘a laugh’ , knitting for instance.
A lot of younger people have given up drink completely. However, loads still go out to get wrecked every weekend. Guessing young people find other forms of activity that is classed as ‘a laugh’ , knitting for instance.
You could ask them to join CAMRA? That's halfway between giving up alcohol and knitting.
crankedup said:
Driver101 said:
crankedup said:
Young people, whatever constitutes young? no longer drink to excess as demonstrated previously.
Guessing young people find other forms of activity that is classed as ‘a laugh’ , knitting for instance.
A lot of younger people have given up drink completely. However, loads still go out to get wrecked every weekend. Guessing young people find other forms of activity that is classed as ‘a laugh’ , knitting for instance.
You could ask them to join CAMRA? That's halfway between giving up alcohol and knitting.
That's why 73% of CAMRA members voted for change.
Did you get banned from the other thread? I was surprised you went quiet.
Stalking me here?
Pastor Of Muppets said:
It also didn't take into consideration the fact that many people have found they are making a saving by buying it online and having it delivered directly to their door, just the same way the high street shops are losing business to online sellers, the supermarkets and 'wee shoap roond the corner' are definitely not immune to the same concept. Every little helps for wee jakey Jimbo, no longer even has to get off his lazy arse
and put in some leg effort nipping doon to the off licence when the man with the van can drop it right into his hands on the doorstep.
Consider also that the Scottish drug epidemic which the SNP have completely failed to get a grip of might also be another reason the
alcohol figures appear to be down, they are spending their cash on harder stuff.
A saving? by buying alcohol online??and put in some leg effort nipping doon to the off licence when the man with the van can drop it right into his hands on the doorstep.
Consider also that the Scottish drug epidemic which the SNP have completely failed to get a grip of might also be another reason the
alcohol figures appear to be down, they are spending their cash on harder stuff.
You can buy alcohol online n have it delivered to your door but ffs that is not the most cost-effective way of doing things.
Trust me. I am borderline alcoholic, I know the cheapest way to get f
ked out of ur head is white cider from your local corner shop n 'jakey jimbo' knows it too.Driver101 said:
crankedup said:
Driver101 said:
crankedup said:
Young people, whatever constitutes young? no longer drink to excess as demonstrated previously.
Guessing young people find other forms of activity that is classed as ‘a laugh’ , knitting for instance.
A lot of younger people have given up drink completely. However, loads still go out to get wrecked every weekend. Guessing young people find other forms of activity that is classed as ‘a laugh’ , knitting for instance.
You could ask them to join CAMRA? That's halfway between giving up alcohol and knitting.
That's why 73% of CAMRA members voted for change.
Did you get banned from the other thread? I was surprised you went quiet.
Stalking me here?
Stalking you? seriously? You may not have noticed this, but I am the OP of this thread some while back now. So it could be suggested that it is you that could be questioned regarding stalking!
I should add that I do agree that quality over quantity is a good thing, hell it is one of the founding principles of CAMRA.
In the bad old days of pubs offering DD or Bass offerings not a real ale was available, hence along comes CAMRA. It is largely that is to this campaign that beer drinkers can once again be assured that real ales are available to enjoy.
Edited by crankedup on Friday 27th September 00:49
crankedup said:
No, I wanted to move on, felt we had taken our discussion as far as was reasonable with nothing to be gained or lost. I’m passionate about debate regarding ale and wine, that’s why I have decided to join in this thread, if that’s OK with you of course!
Stalking you? seriously? You may not have noticed this, but I am the OP of this thread some while back now. So it could be suggested that it is you that could be questioned regarding stalking!
You just embarrassed yourself. I shouldn't have lowered myself for some of it though.Stalking you? seriously? You may not have noticed this, but I am the OP of this thread some while back now. So it could be suggested that it is you that could be questioned regarding stalking!
Did the minimum pricing hit ale at the supermarket ? I can't think of any that were hit.
Driver101 said:
crankedup said:
No, I wanted to move on, felt we had taken our discussion as far as was reasonable with nothing to be gained or lost. I’m passionate about debate regarding ale and wine, that’s why I have decided to join in this thread, if that’s OK with you of course!
Stalking you? seriously? You may not have noticed this, but I am the OP of this thread some while back now. So it could be suggested that it is you that could be questioned regarding stalking!
You just embarrassed yourself. I shouldn't have lowered myself for some of it though.Stalking you? seriously? You may not have noticed this, but I am the OP of this thread some while back now. So it could be suggested that it is you that could be questioned regarding stalking!
Did the minimum pricing hit ale at the supermarket ? I can't think of any that were hit.
Did the MUP hit ale at the supermarket you ask me. Not that I know of, but then I don’t follow supermarket price points. I just buy what I enjoy
Driver101 said:
Do they?
Travel over the border into England and the firm favourites of things like Tennant's lager disappears. They aren't adjusting their stock for demand.
Frosty Jack's was always a corner shop special and not a supermarket favourite.
As far as I have seen the supermarkets in the North of England are following the trends of Scotland. The big cases of lager, cider and cheap brand spirits are being replaced by craft beer, gin and plenty of whisky too.
The days of supermarkets have aisles dedicate to case upon case of every brand lager and cider have long gone.
I don't hear of people doing booze cruises.
Oh they do. Travel over the border into England and the firm favourites of things like Tennant's lager disappears. They aren't adjusting their stock for demand.
Frosty Jack's was always a corner shop special and not a supermarket favourite.
As far as I have seen the supermarkets in the North of England are following the trends of Scotland. The big cases of lager, cider and cheap brand spirits are being replaced by craft beer, gin and plenty of whisky too.
The days of supermarkets have aisles dedicate to case upon case of every brand lager and cider have long gone.
I don't hear of people doing booze cruises.
Bike club had a do recently and folk were sent to Berwick and filled a transit with drink. Saved a small fortune.
It happens and it happens a fair bit.
As for the rest, minimum pricing has had no effect on alcohol related problems and they know it, but they need to spin it to make Jimmy Krankie look good.
Total failure.
Driver101 said:
poo at Paul's said:
The supermarkets across the border in England have been stocking large quantities of certain favourite booze (strong beers and cider), as it is about 30% cheaper than in Scotland. The new Booze Cruise seems to be to Carlisle or Berwick on Tweed! 
Do they? Travel over the border into England and the firm favourites of things like Tennant's lager disappears. They aren't adjusting their stock for demand.
Frosty Jack's was always a corner shop special and not a supermarket favourite.
As far as I have seen the supermarkets in the North of England are following the trends of Scotland. The big cases of lager, cider and cheap brand spirits are being replaced by craft beer, gin and plenty of whisky too.
The days of supermarkets have aisles dedicate to case upon case of every brand lager and cider have long gone.
I don't hear of people doing booze cruises.
moanthebairns said:
People up here only drink Tennants when there is nothing else.
There is plenty of choice up here already and loads of people religiously drink nothing but Tennant's lager. Brads67 said:
Oh they do.
Bike club had a do recently and folk were sent to Berwick and filled a transit with drink. Saved a small fortune.
It happens and it happens a fair bit.
As for the rest, minimum pricing has had no effect on alcohol related problems and they know it, but they need to spin it to make Jimmy Krankie look good.
Total failure.
Strangely enough I'm in Berwick this weekend. I was out at Tesco last night for shopping. Bike club had a do recently and folk were sent to Berwick and filled a transit with drink. Saved a small fortune.
It happens and it happens a fair bit.
As for the rest, minimum pricing has had no effect on alcohol related problems and they know it, but they need to spin it to make Jimmy Krankie look good.
Total failure.
There was 2x18 440ml cans of Carling for £20. Other than that they were light of cases of beer. There was good offer on some of the craft beer at 4 for £6 for drinks ranging between £1.60-2.20 each. Obviously we can't get multibuy deals in Scotland either.
All the common spirits and drinks I looked at were exactly the same price.
They also had shorter aisles and far less choice than my local Tesco.
crankedup said:
Did the MUP hit ale at the supermarket you ask me. Not that I know of, but then I don’t follow supermarket price points. I just buy what I enjoy
I genuinely don't think it even affected one. I don't see any real ales at the supermarket for £1.12 for a 500ml bottle of 4.5% ABV. If anything as a CAMRA supporter I'd have thought you'd be for minimum pricing. If the prices of mass produced lager are pushed up towards better drinks then surely people will just buy the better rather than the cheapest?
Driver101 said:
Strangely enough I'm in Berwick this weekend. I was out at Tesco last night for shopping.
There was 2x18 440ml cans of Carling for £20. Other than that they were light of cases of beer. There was good offer on some of the craft beer at 4 for £6 for drinks ranging between £1.60-2.20 each. Obviously we can't get multibuy deals in Scotland either.
All the common spirits and drinks I looked at were exactly the same price.
They also had shorter aisles and far less choice than my local Tesco.
Try the nearest Asda. There are always deals on on Strongbow. Was £13 a crate few weeks back vs near £20 north of the border. There was 2x18 440ml cans of Carling for £20. Other than that they were light of cases of beer. There was good offer on some of the craft beer at 4 for £6 for drinks ranging between £1.60-2.20 each. Obviously we can't get multibuy deals in Scotland either.
All the common spirits and drinks I looked at were exactly the same price.
They also had shorter aisles and far less choice than my local Tesco.
36 cans of Lager for £20 is dirt cheap, even for Carling!!
Driver101 said:
crankedup said:
Did the MUP hit ale at the supermarket you ask me. Not that I know of, but then I don’t follow supermarket price points. I just buy what I enjoy
I genuinely don't think it even affected one. I don't see any real ales at the supermarket for £1.12 for a 500ml bottle of 4.5% ABV. If anything as a CAMRA supporter I'd have thought you'd be for minimum pricing. If the prices of mass produced lager are pushed up towards better drinks then surely people will just buy the better rather than the cheapest?
poo at Paul's said:
Try the nearest Asda. There are always deals on on Strongbow. Was £13 a crate few weeks back vs near £20 north of the border.
36 cans of Lager for £20 is dirt cheap, even for Carling!!
That Asda in Kingmoor is sooooo handy for the M74/M6 as well. I'm sorely tempted to stop there on the way past next time, can get lunch out the McDonalds next door as well. I remember when MUP came in, you could put in the postcode on their website (CA3 0JQ apparently) and see the difference between Scottish & English prices for the same stuff, gives you an idea as to whether it's worth stopping or not.36 cans of Lager for £20 is dirt cheap, even for Carling!!
poo at Paul's said:
Try the nearest Asda. There are always deals on on Strongbow. Was £13 a crate few weeks back vs near £20 north of the border.
36 cans of Lager for £20 is dirt cheap, even for Carling!!
36 cans of Lager for £20 is dirt cheap, even for Carling!!
Carling is cheap dirt.
It's also not what it says on the can. There is an allowance of 0.5% on lager of this strength. However, Carling can brew it very accurately and don't need such an allowance.
Very sneakily they brew it at 3.7%, pay tax at 3.7%, but put 4% on the cans knowing it is wrong, but within the 0.5% allowance they've got. It's a dirty tactic.
I wouldn't waste a day and £60 on petrol for a booze cruise. It would require a lot of booze to make it worth my time, but I don't drink anything under minimum pricing so it's pointless for me.
I have zero issues with minimum pricing. Given all the costs associated with alcohol inflamed incidents and the strain it puts the NHS under I'm all for it. People shouldn't be able to get wasted for just a few quid. The people drinking should be paying for the resources they drain.
Edited by Driver101 on Friday 27th September 11:51
crankedup said:
Driver101 said:
crankedup said:
Did the MUP hit ale at the supermarket you ask me. Not that I know of, but then I don’t follow supermarket price points. I just buy what I enjoy
I genuinely don't think it even affected one. I don't see any real ales at the supermarket for £1.12 for a 500ml bottle of 4.5% ABV. If anything as a CAMRA supporter I'd have thought you'd be for minimum pricing. If the prices of mass produced lager are pushed up towards better drinks then surely people will just buy the better rather than the cheapest?
I can honestly say I haven't noticed any difference since minimum pricing came in.
I buy spirits when they're on offer and can get enough beer to satisfy me for less than a tenner.
crankedup said:
I don’t support taxation of any description on food and drink, however I do support freedom of choice. Not everybody wants to choose quality over price in everyday purchase decisions for countless reasons. Freedom of choice, and I feel we in the U.K. are fortunate to be able to enjoy that freedom.
The problem is, you cannot trust the public to treat all things sensibly. This most certainly includes food and alcohol consumption, and the types of food and alcohol that people decide to consume.Unfortunately one of the the best ways to control the consumption of products that are likely to damage the health of, or even kill, is to intrude minimum pricing or significantly increased levels of taxation on those items.
You have to force the price of certain things to a level where they cannot be afforded in quantities that may be potentially dangerous. They may be afforded in quantities by those who have notably higher incomes, but then those people will likely be paying into systems like the NHS in greater amounts too.
It is controversial, but I would support even higher taxes on tobacco, nicotine containing vape products, and alcohol. I would also support the introduction of increased taxes on high calorie takeaway or drive-thru food.
My points are all overly simplistic of course, and there should be far more logic put into them than I can mange in two minutes, but my overall concept is something that I see can happening more and more in future.
I absolutely love delicious calorie-laden greasy take away food. Dish & Chips, McDonalds, Pizzas, Chinese, Kebabs etc and I also love an alcoholic drink. These things are also very easy. They involve no cooking, effort, and alcohol makes you feel good.
But I try hard to regulate my intake of alcohol and unhealthy food, and I force myself to go to the gym several times a week in an effort to remain fit, healthy, and in reasonably slim shape.
Not everyone will want to do that, and if left unchecked, many people will slide into a routine of unhealthy yet tasty food, and drinking far too much.
Lord Marylebone said:
crankedup said:
I don’t support taxation of any description on food and drink, however I do support freedom of choice. Not everybody wants to choose quality over price in everyday purchase decisions for countless reasons. Freedom of choice, and I feel we in the U.K. are fortunate to be able to enjoy that freedom.
The problem is, you cannot trust the public to treat all things sensibly. This most certainly includes food and alcohol consumption, and the types of food and alcohol that people decide to consume.Unfortunately one of the the best ways to control the consumption of products that are likely to damage the health of, or even kill, is to intrude minimum pricing or significantly increased levels of taxation on those items.
You have to force the price of certain things to a level where they cannot be afforded in quantities that may be potentially dangerous. They may be afforded in quantities by those who have notably higher incomes, but then those people will likely be paying into systems like the NHS in greater amounts too.
It is controversial, but I would support even higher taxes on tobacco, nicotine containing vape products, and alcohol. I would also support the introduction of increased taxes on high calorie takeaway or drive-thru food.
My points are all overly simplistic of course, and there should be far more logic put into them than I can mange in two minutes, but my overall concept is something that I see can happening more and more in future.
I absolutely love delicious calorie-laden greasy take away food. Dish & Chips, McDonalds, Pizzas, Chinese, Kebabs etc and I also love an alcoholic drink. These things are also very easy. They involve no cooking, effort, and alcohol makes you feel good.
But I try hard to regulate my intake of alcohol and unhealthy food, and I force myself to go to the gym several times a week in an effort to remain fit, healthy, and in reasonably slim shape.
Not everyone will want to do that, and if left unchecked, many people will slide into a routine of unhealthy yet tasty food, and drinking far too much.
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