Scots to bring in minimum price booze
Discussion
stupidbutkeen said:
Lord Marylebone said:
stupidbutkeen said:
Granted not a huge increase but I bought 9 cases to do me over 4 weeks and it woud all add up.
Is that just over 3 cans every day for 4 weeks, Or have I miscalculated?I tend to have quite a few on a friday night followed by some on a sat then rest of week 1-2 a night.
moanthebairns said:
TheJimi said:
grumbledoak said:
Driver101 said:
It is just the cheap end drinks that will be hit.
So it will probably most affect those already choosing between booze and food.I'd be thinking see that 2 litre bottle of cider I buy that I gulp down as it's f
king rank and only drink it for the end result. See if they are now going to increase that in line with some stronger spirits I'll buy them. I'll get fked the same. I can only see this turning people to harder stuff.
I wonder if some of the people who support this strategy would also support sterilising the poor?
After all they can't be trusted to make their own decisions so you need to take temptation away from them, and it's not like it would affect anyone you know...
Or in other words it's a stupid insulting strategy that won't improve life for the people it's nominally targeted at, will have all sorts of unintended consequences but makes a small group happy that they've done something.
Not that I'd expect any better from a group that also proclaims that university ranking is unfair and should be changed to take account of their social mobility efforts, as forcing universities to accept stupid people because they're poor seems to have a negative impact on overall academic achievement.
After all they can't be trusted to make their own decisions so you need to take temptation away from them, and it's not like it would affect anyone you know...
Or in other words it's a stupid insulting strategy that won't improve life for the people it's nominally targeted at, will have all sorts of unintended consequences but makes a small group happy that they've done something.
Not that I'd expect any better from a group that also proclaims that university ranking is unfair and should be changed to take account of their social mobility efforts, as forcing universities to accept stupid people because they're poor seems to have a negative impact on overall academic achievement.
Lord Marylebone said:
stupidbutkeen said:
Lord Marylebone said:
stupidbutkeen said:
Granted not a huge increase but I bought 9 cases to do me over 4 weeks and it woud all add up.
Is that just over 3 cans every day for 4 weeks, Or have I miscalculated?I tend to have quite a few on a friday night followed by some on a sat then rest of week 1-2 a night.
To answer your next question lol..No I do not see a problem with it and yes I am still very healthy for a 45 year old man.
roadtripboy said:
It's a minimum price, not a tax. I'm not sure who actually benefits from the increased price. The supermarket presumably?
You can't escape VAT, at least. But, yes, I bet the campaign for this is backed by the supermarkets, the Treasury, and a small group of do-gooders getting sweaty at the idea of imposing their morality on others.
roadtripboy said:
grumbledoak said:
I suspect it will raise some revenue. But I'm sure that's accidental.
It's a minimum price, not a tax. I'm not sure who actually benefits from the increased price. The supermarket presumably?Anyway, if wholesale prices rise in Scotland, which they will. You'd be mad not to drive down and buy in England to stock your corner shop. It wouldn't be illegal in anyway to do that.
stupidbutkeen said:
Lord Marylebone said:
stupidbutkeen said:
Lord Marylebone said:
stupidbutkeen said:
Granted not a huge increase but I bought 9 cases to do me over 4 weeks and it woud all add up.
Is that just over 3 cans every day for 4 weeks, Or have I miscalculated?I tend to have quite a few on a friday night followed by some on a sat then rest of week 1-2 a night.
To answer your next question lol..No I do not see a problem with it and yes I am still very healthy for a 45 year old man.
Jockman said:
Lol. Remember the days? We used to have one in Gilmerton, south Edinburgh.
I say! Edinburgh?? Weeeell posh.....look, youths scuffling after a drink, and not a machete in sight! That's what I call proper civilised...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_renE5K1iE
Lord Marylebone said:
stupidbutkeen said:
Lord Marylebone said:
stupidbutkeen said:
Lord Marylebone said:
stupidbutkeen said:
Granted not a huge increase but I bought 9 cases to do me over 4 weeks and it woud all add up.
Is that just over 3 cans every day for 4 weeks, Or have I miscalculated?I tend to have quite a few on a friday night followed by some on a sat then rest of week 1-2 a night.
To answer your next question lol..No I do not see a problem with it and yes I am still very healthy for a 45 year old man.
lager/beer is the sweet spot for me, Gets me drunk enough to enjoy without being pissed enough to get in trouble.
stupidbutkeen said:
Lord Marylebone said:
I think people are getting far too worried about the effect this will have on 'normal' people.
I quote from the BBC:
"The 50p-per-unit minimum outlined by the legislation would raise the price of the cheapest bottle of red wine (9.4 units of alcohol) to £4.69, a four-pack of 500ml cans of 4% lager (8 units) would cost at least £4 and a 70cl bottle of whisky (28 units of alcohol) could not be sold for less than £14"
£4.69 for a bottle of red wine and £1 per can of 500ml Carlsberg/Fosters etc seems dirt cheap to me?
The prices are pretty much that as we stand right now.
The way I see it, is that this law really only goes after the really cheap bottles of vodka and '3 litres of strong cider for £3.29' and as I said earlier, there is absolutely no good reason for those types of drinks to exist at all.
I would be interested to know if this law genuinely affects anyone on here, because I'm doubting that it would.
It would increase my costs a little if brought in N.IrelandI quote from the BBC:
"The 50p-per-unit minimum outlined by the legislation would raise the price of the cheapest bottle of red wine (9.4 units of alcohol) to £4.69, a four-pack of 500ml cans of 4% lager (8 units) would cost at least £4 and a 70cl bottle of whisky (28 units of alcohol) could not be sold for less than £14"
£4.69 for a bottle of red wine and £1 per can of 500ml Carlsberg/Fosters etc seems dirt cheap to me?
The prices are pretty much that as we stand right now.
The way I see it, is that this law really only goes after the really cheap bottles of vodka and '3 litres of strong cider for £3.29' and as I said earlier, there is absolutely no good reason for those types of drinks to exist at all.
I would be interested to know if this law genuinely affects anyone on here, because I'm doubting that it would.
I drink stella and buy 10 packs in Asdas for my sins.
At the min Asda are doing 3, 10 packs of stella for £21 so £7 for 10 440ml of stellas
each 440m tin has 2.1 units of alcohol so each tin would cost me £1.05.
so those 3 cases would be a min of £31.50.
Granted not a huge increase but I bought 9 cases to do me over 4 weeks and it woud all add up.
I've continually maintained my beer mountain in my man cave for the last 30 odd years, firstly purchasing in France ( 96 cases x 25 bottles of Export 33 was my crowning glory) when it was much cheaper at Calais Auchan, and then purchasing in the UK when prices reached parity and it made economic sense. I come from a Dutch background where having multiple cases of supermarket bought beer at hand was seen not only as normal but as essential part of life. A well stocked beer fridge in the garage is, I feel, a neccessity.
I am sure I am not the only one here doing the same.
If prices here are doubled I would be back in the firm's van with trailer putting my cash into the Auchan tills once again. The Govt would also see just how receptive the general public are to being told what to do, think and feel by special interest groups with scant research but lots of an" holier than thou" attitude.
How well did attempted social engineering turn out at the last election Mrs May.?
Literally Cheers,
Tony
moanthebairns said:
The problem is that mps haven't suffered from alcohol or drug misuse. They haven't woken up every morning wishing they hadn't. They haven't made it through a day at work on auto pilot just so they can finally escape with drink, drugs or prescription medication. If they have many are scared to fess up about it as for some reason we don't then listen to these people who have been through it.
What you described I'd say isn't a drug. I've four powerful bikes in the garage. The only natural thing that's came close to a high on cocaine or similar was the opening laps of a race. I've been through suicidal depression from a situation outwith my control. I've abused drugs, drink and prescribed drugs just to allow myself to function. I'll always remember being frank to a doctor about it. His words were "self medication". You do what you have to do if it means you don't end up killing yourself. Naturally he helped me in other ways that was more beneficial for my health. But he understood that people at their lowest points find ways to cope with life.
I'm fortunate in ways. I'm reasonably educated, have a fair income and I'd self medicate with discipline whilst I went through a few years of utter hell out with my control.
I had things to look forward to some degree that would allow me to function on dependences and it was at the lower end of the scale. For many of these people they have no hope. They are bred into it. Now I'm not getting all Liberal on this. There are aholes out their that will always be.
But I'm currently working with an alcoholic as I have done in the past with others. A functioning, pleasant member of society for whatever personal reason has turned to self medicate themselves. A small price increase isn't going to change an addiction like this.
It's a greater social issue. And I get it its very hard to understand fully if you've had a prosperous life where nothing has went wrong and you wake up most days happy. There's varying levels all over the spectrum.
This isn't the solution. 5 years wasted fighting this.
Nail. Head. Hit.What you described I'd say isn't a drug. I've four powerful bikes in the garage. The only natural thing that's came close to a high on cocaine or similar was the opening laps of a race. I've been through suicidal depression from a situation outwith my control. I've abused drugs, drink and prescribed drugs just to allow myself to function. I'll always remember being frank to a doctor about it. His words were "self medication". You do what you have to do if it means you don't end up killing yourself. Naturally he helped me in other ways that was more beneficial for my health. But he understood that people at their lowest points find ways to cope with life.
I'm fortunate in ways. I'm reasonably educated, have a fair income and I'd self medicate with discipline whilst I went through a few years of utter hell out with my control.
I had things to look forward to some degree that would allow me to function on dependences and it was at the lower end of the scale. For many of these people they have no hope. They are bred into it. Now I'm not getting all Liberal on this. There are a
holes out their that will always be. But I'm currently working with an alcoholic as I have done in the past with others. A functioning, pleasant member of society for whatever personal reason has turned to self medicate themselves. A small price increase isn't going to change an addiction like this.
It's a greater social issue. And I get it its very hard to understand fully if you've had a prosperous life where nothing has went wrong and you wake up most days happy. There's varying levels all over the spectrum.
This isn't the solution. 5 years wasted fighting this.
moanthebairns said:
What you mean like any area of high unemployment in the UK.
It will make fk all difference to levels of alcohol consumption. All it will stop is dependants spending money they would elsewhere on their own well being or families.
I cannot stand that Sturgeon, I am not a heavy drinker, I would struggle to drink a weeks allowance in a month. But I object to the government telling me I must now pay more due to them coming up with a plan they think will help a small few.
I assume the money will now be spent on the underprivileged kids in the area and give them funding for sports and after school activities every day of the week. Whilst increasing mental health facilities for dependants.
well said that man...hope I can buy you a drink sometime It will make f
k all difference to levels of alcohol consumption. All it will stop is dependants spending money they would elsewhere on their own well being or families.I cannot stand that
Sturgeon, I am not a heavy drinker, I would struggle to drink a weeks allowance in a month. But I object to the government telling me I must now pay more due to them coming up with a plan they think will help a small few. I assume the money will now be spent on the underprivileged kids in the area and give them funding for sports and after school activities every day of the week. Whilst increasing mental health facilities for dependants.
and I hope this is the final nail in the coffin of wee Jimmy Crankie and her fellow Hollyrood f
kwits with their annoying nanny state bullying politics..they really do boil my cheap cider ridden piss at times 
Edited by briang9 on Thursday 16th November 00:07
otolith said:
thanks for that..I am recruiting for gangs to hijack trucks full of "Super Cider" at Carlisle, applications on used £50 notes to Briang9 C/O Pistonheads please....
stupidbutkeen said:
Lord Marylebone said:
stupidbutkeen said:
Lord Marylebone said:
stupidbutkeen said:
Granted not a huge increase but I bought 9 cases to do me over 4 weeks and it woud all add up.
Is that just over 3 cans every day for 4 weeks, Or have I miscalculated?I tend to have quite a few on a friday night followed by some on a sat then rest of week 1-2 a night.
To answer your next question lol..No I do not see a problem with it and yes I am still very healthy for a 45 year old man.
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