Carrilion in trouble

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crankedup

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25,764 posts

243 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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I watched the first ten minutes and have recorded the prog’.
From that ten minutes I concluded that Carillion were a mirror image of RBS. Run by incompetent fools bordering onto fraudsters, arrogant liars only interested in themselves and to hell with every other business involved.
Those at the top of the, can’t call it a business, must be held to account in a meaningful way,imo.
I may get angry when I have watched the recording!
Makes it even worse that when I opened this thread we had illiterate fools posting defensive nonsence about this bunch of, best I shut up now

crankedup

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25,764 posts

243 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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Watched the documentary now. Almost mirror image of RBS, almost bordering on fraud imo. Hope the Board face legal action

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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crankedup said:
Watched the documentary now. Almost mirror image of RBS, almost bordering on fraud imo. Hope the Board face legal action
One MD is now the board member of Hs2..... FFs.

crankedup

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Thursday 23rd August 2018
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Welshbeef said:
crankedup said:
Watched the documentary now. Almost mirror image of RBS, almost bordering on fraud imo. Hope the Board face legal action
One MD is now the board member of Hs2..... FFs.
Seems to be the entry point into another Board Member job, make a complete and utter car crash of the Company you are leaving and be welcomed with open arms into the new job.
Tesco was another business cooking it’s books flattering it’s numbers for shareholders, albeit on a much lesser scale than Carillion.
I feel for the businesses that have been caught by the Carillion scandal, the small floral landscape business dropping £500,000 and seeing the Carillion Board swan off after self enrichment.

Digga

40,324 posts

283 months

Tuesday 15th January 2019
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Long since out of the news, but the ripples have not settled yet.

Shropshire based Hawk Plant Hire Ltd (the business owned by the father of BBC6 Music DJ Chris Hawkins has gone into administration) with the immediate loss of 80 odd jobs and another 300 plus at risk.

The Construction Index said:
While the administrators did not mention Carillion by name, Hawk’s moist recently filed accounts did. The strategic report for the year ended 31st December 2017 stated: “The liquidation of Carillion plc in January 2018 has meant some timing disruption as contacts previously awarded have had to be rescheduled. Due to the high level of credit insurance in place on Carillion plc there will be a minimal write off of balances outstanding at the time of liquidation.”
https://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/news/view/hawk-collapses-into-administration

kev1974

4,029 posts

129 months

Tuesday 15th January 2019
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8144411/brand-new-50...

A new hospital that Carillion were building in Liverpool is still lying empty and unfinished as it's taken more than a year to make arrangements for someone else to take over the project.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Tuesday 15th January 2019
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kev1974 said:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8144411/brand-new-50...

A new hospital that Carillion were building in Liverpool is still lying empty and unfinished as it's taken more than a year to make arrangements for someone else to take over the project.
Taking over someone else’s half finished work will mean no warranties on work done to date / all risk on the public sector.

Ideally you’d want the supplier who Carrillion subcontracted it out to be drawn back into the ring under another outsourcing company who then MIGHT be able to provide some/more warranty than otherwise (that’s assuming they are not bust too due to Carrillion)

scrw.

2,624 posts

190 months

Tuesday 15th January 2019
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Digga said:
Just down the road from me, noticed more and more kit in the yard recently.

98elise

26,617 posts

161 months

Wednesday 16th January 2019
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Welshbeef said:
kev1974 said:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8144411/brand-new-50...

A new hospital that Carillion were building in Liverpool is still lying empty and unfinished as it's taken more than a year to make arrangements for someone else to take over the project.
Taking over someone else’s half finished work will mean no warranties on work done to date / all risk on the public sector.

Ideally you’d want the supplier who Carrillion subcontracted it out to be drawn back into the ring under another outsourcing company who then MIGHT be able to provide some/more warranty than otherwise (that’s assuming they are not bust too due to Carrillion)
Also a lot of the subcontractors will have been owed money. In those circumstances they may not want to warranty (or finish) work they have not been paid for.

Digga

40,324 posts

283 months

Wednesday 16th January 2019
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scrw. said:
Digga said:
Just down the road from me, noticed more and more kit in the yard recently.
Fortunately, they did not owe us too much. We'd dealt with them for years (decades?) though. Weren't a bad firm, although latterly and looking at social media comments, they were certainly running tight margins (to put it more politely than some competitors of theirs).

tleefox

1,110 posts

148 months

Friday 15th March 2019
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Dawnus yesterday:

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2019/03/15/daw...

Interserve today:

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2019/03/15/sha...

Lots of talk in the industry that Kier are only one late or missed payment from going the same way.

crankedup

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25,764 posts

243 months

Friday 15th March 2019
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Shell Companies running Public Services?
Broken business model, time for Government to review and delete?

tleefox

1,110 posts

148 months

Friday 15th March 2019
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crankedup said:
Broken business model, time for Government to review and delete?
Absolutely, but the contractors are to blame as much as anything here - signing up to 3 / 4 / 5 year frameworks on fixed costs and rates, with all of the risk taken by the contractor is an absolutely ridiculous and unsustainable business model. I would struggle to name you another industry where such a flawed way of operating is so central to how that industry operates.

Digga

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283 months

Friday 15th March 2019
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Yes, you only need look at the farce of the annual pothole harvest - holes that need re-repairing at least once a year - to see how broken the whole industry has become. Then there's the profit margins which , frankly, are virtually unsustainable on a long enough timeline. This is what least cost, lowest common denominator procurement brings.

robinessex

11,062 posts

181 months

Friday 15th March 2019
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Can anyone name anything a government has privatised, and it's turned out for the better?

Digga

40,324 posts

283 months

Friday 15th March 2019
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robinessex said:
Can anyone name anything a government has privatised, and it's turned out for the better?
The Chase Leisure Centre in Cannock. HTH biggrin

petop

2,141 posts

166 months

Friday 15th March 2019
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Digga said:
Yes, you only need look at the farce of the annual pothole harvest - holes that need re-repairing at least once a year - to see how broken the whole industry has become. Then there's the profit margins which , frankly, are virtually unsustainable on a long enough timeline. This is what least cost, lowest common denominator procurement brings.
Technically compliant, lowest cost bid......Its how Interserve won i expect on some contracts that i saw. Now you can hold them over the coals when they do not provide during the contract if your contract management is robust enough but if you are allowing the contractor to operate/maintain infra that is in dire need of capital investment then its sticking plaster with weak stickiness.........eventually it falls off.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 16th March 2019
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tleefox said:
Dawnus yesterday:

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2019/03/15/daw...

Interserve today:

http://www.constructionenquirer.com/2019/03/15/sha...

Lots of talk in the industry that Kier are only one late or missed payment from going the same way.
ISS next.