How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 2)

[anonymous-user]

drainbrain said:

Occasionally the thread threatens to go down an interesting road but it's very quickly returned to that tired old Remain v Leave quarrel which, frankly, has nothing interesting to commend it. Directly on the topic, no, I don't think any interesting info has emerged. Mind you, I don't think the participants have the skillsets to produce anything insightful on the matter and are far happier arguing whether or not their basic position on Brexit is the least wrong one. Perhaps it would be different if we had input from skilled negotiators or even people with basic negotiating skills (rather than 3rd year debating class tedium). But we don't. Do we?

What would YOU say has evolved from the 'discussion' on How we think EU negotiations will go? Not that that has been even mentioned much never mind 'discussed'.

As to your general answer, some threads are 'discussions', some have a point, many don't. And I don't really know what BBS is so can't answer that bit.

Edited by drainbrain on Saturday 25th November 19:20

Some things have led to me researching more, its not all crap being posted.

The moderation in this forum is dire though, so a lot of crap is allowed to be posted, if i was a mod this place would be a lot quieter in that respect.

BBS = Bulletin Board System = Forum = Pistonheads

[citizensm1th]

jsf said:

Some things have led to me researching more, its not all crap being posted.

The moderation in this forum is dire though, so a lot of crap is allowed to be posted, if i was a mod this place would be a lot quieter in that respect.

BBS = Bulletin Board System = Forum = Pistonheads

with this we agree

far to much whataboutisum and personal attacks.

[drainbrain]

jsf said:

Some things have led to me researching more, its not all crap being posted.

The moderation in this forum is dire though, so a lot of crap is allowed to be posted, if i was a mod this place would be a lot quieter in that respect.

BBS = Bulletin Board System = Forum = Pistonheads

Yeah SOME things are very interesting especially on more technical threads. But NPE things? Sorry, it is almost exclusively crap. Like I said, vapid and dogmatic. Entrenched vehemently held opinions on abstruse matters largely irrelevant to the thread titles and frequently developing into a really childish and unpleasant vitriol.

The worst of it? I've occasionally even been drawn into it to the point of becoming part of it! Well, it's supposed to be entertainment isn't it? And to me that isn't really hugely entertaining. Actually it's fking annoying especially on those rare occasions when there is something vaguely interesting being posted. And then in comes the diversion into the irrelevant abstrusity and then the vehemence and the vitriol and ......lol!

Not totally in agreement about the moderation. I think they do ok and mostly leave the place to self moderate. And if there was any serious effort to weed out all the crap of all types the place would be a desert.

But I'm glad you reminded me what BBS means. Hadn't heard the expression for many years. TBH I've been asking myself what the point of posting is, or even using the site at all. And can't come up with a good answer, other than to continue to drift away and use it less and less often. I can come up with a couple of bad answers but they tend to lead back to that good answer/solution.

Anyway I am not a bot I am a human with a human wife and it is Saturday night which I am not spending here. So...hasta la vista!

[Initforthemoney]

alfie2244 said:

Initforthemoney said:

Its fking hilarious.

I have never seen so many people try and be right on the internet.

You've been here you 5 yrs and a you type that as your 11th post

And?

[anonymous-user]

drainbrain said:

But I'm glad you reminded me what BBS means. Hadn't heard the expression for many years.

Showing my age in terms of how long I've been on the internet.

I remember when only switched on people could get online and BBS were used to discuss serious things and build relationships.

[citizensm1th]

jsf said:

Showing my age in terms of how long I've been on the internet.

I remember when only switched on people could get online and BBS were used to discuss sex things and build relationships.

aaahhhh hem

[anonymous-user]

citizensm1th said:

jsf said:

Showing my age in terms of how long I've been on the internet.

I remember when only switched on people could get online and BBS were used to discuss sex things and build relationships.

aaahhhh hem

Maybe in your case, there weren't many options for that kind of shenanigans though.

[citizensm1th]

jsf said:

citizensm1th said:

jsf said:

Showing my age in terms of how long I've been on the internet.

I remember when only switched on people could get online and BBS were used to discuss sex things and build relationships.

aaahhhh hem

Maybe in your case, there weren't many options for that kind of shenanigans though.

Shenanigans built the internet as we know it

[///ajd]

Vol 1 & the other threads have had some corkers of late.

I thought the bankers into fishermen was good, but we’ve had some genius about turning cheap steel into Gucci steel so tariffs don’t matter, not forgetting the long running “I know what I voted for” but it’s not up to me to solve NI/Eire.

It is true that there has not been a swing yet, but the arguments and evidence are stacking up heavily.

If we do get chucked a Canada FTA type bone in the negotiations, it will be interesting to see how this plays out - being totally inadequate to keep our EU trade based GDP healthy.

[B'stard Child]

Certainly a different start to vol 2

[smileymikey]

Think of the negotiations like a divorce.......One where Europe is the wife that found out that. Having slept with her sister and her best friend you hope to move her out of the marital house in order to move a nineteen year old pole dancer in.


.....Whatever your politics. We are currently a laughing stock. Governed by people who have dropped any pretence of party loyalty and are giving Game of Thrones a run for its money when it comes to intrigue and back stabbing. We are in short going to get royally shafted.

[Robertj21a]

///ajd said:

Vol 1 & the other threads have had some corkers of late.

I thought the bankers into fishermen was good, but we’ve had some genius about turning cheap steel into Gucci steel so tariffs don’t matter, [b]not forgetting the long running “I know what I voted for” but it’s not up to me to solve NI/Eire[/].

It is true that there has not been a swing yet, but the arguments and evidence are stacking up heavily.

If we do get chucked a Canada FTA type bone in the negotiations, it will be interesting to see how this plays out - being totally inadequate to keep our EU trade based GDP healthy.

I know you keep banging on about this - and that your only solution is simply that we don't leave (!).

Why do you think that the 52% who voted to leave should solve one of the problems that have arisen ?

[PurpleMoonlight]

Robertj21a said:

I know you keep banging on about this - and that your only solution is simply that we don't leave (!).

Why do you think that the 52% who voted to leave should solve one of the problems that have arisen ?

You aren't but I rather suspect Davis and his team would welcome an email if you happen to have one though.

I see the DUP are insisting on no border or restrictions on trade between NI and the rest of the UK. Seems fair enough.

[///ajd]

Robertj21a said:

I know you keep banging on about this - and that your only solution is simply that we don't leave (!).

Why do you think that the 52% who voted to leave should solve one of the problems that have arisen ?

And there’s more!

Who do you think should solve it, the 48% remain side?

If the leave side can’t solve it - which it seems they can’t - it just adds to the evidence that this is a colossal poorly thought out protest moan vote that deserves to be treated with the contempt stupid ideas are normally given.

You can solve the problem, or find someone smart enough to do so, at any time - we are all waiting. I’ve already provided two perfectly workable practical answers that avoid serious border problems.

[PurpleMoonlight]

///ajd said:

I’ve already provided two perfectly workable practical answers that avoid serious border problems.

I missed them, what are they?

[Robertj21a]

///ajd said:

Robertj21a said:

I know you keep banging on about this - and that your only solution is simply that we don't leave (!).

Why do you think that the 52% who voted to leave should solve one of the problems that have arisen ?

And there’s more!

Who do you think should solve it, the 48% remain side?

If the leave side can’t solve it - which it seems they can’t - it just adds to the evidence that this is a colossal poorly thought out protest moan vote that deserves to be treated with the contempt stupid ideas are normally given.

You can solve the problem, or find someone smart enough to do so, at any time - we are all waiting. I’ve already provided two perfectly workable practical answers that avoid serious border problems.

Oh, I knew there would be more !. Usually, more and more and more of questions prompted by a Guardian comment, or a chart you've seen somewhere that suits your agenda.

I'm also aware that your solutions are unrealistic.

What I don't get, and you continually fail to answer, is why the 52% should be expected to solve one problem that has arisen - I assume that none of us are MPs, or in any position that could exert pressure on May/Davis etc ? Why do you think that we have a government ?

[///ajd]

PurpleMoonlight said:

I missed them, what are they?

A Reversexit
B Brexit but stay in CU and poss SM

Latter seems to be what Eire/NI want.

It’s only a small step to what’s the point, let’s remain. It was all undeliverable bks.

[PRTVR]

///ajd said:

Robertj21a said:

I know you keep banging on about this - and that your only solution is simply that we don't leave (!).

Why do you think that the 52% who voted to leave should solve one of the problems that have arisen ?

And there’s more!

Who do you think should solve it, the 48% remain side?

If the leave side can’t solve it - which it seems they can’t - it just adds to the evidence that this is a colossal poorly thought out protest moan vote that deserves to be treated with the contempt stupid ideas are normally given.

You can solve the problem, or find someone smart enough to do so, at any time - we are all waiting. I’ve already provided two perfectly workable practical answers that avoid serious border problems.

But your solutions do not address the situation, we are leaving, now if you were to say that Ireland was to vote and leave the EU, that would be be a logical solution.

[Robertj21a]

///ajd said:

A Reversexit
B Brexit but stay in CU and poss SM

Latter seems to be what Eire/NI want.

It’s only a small step to what’s the point, let’s remain. It was all undeliverable bks - In my biased view, naturally there are alternative opinions but I need to be the one that is always right........

Just corrected that for you, it seems you left a bit off.

[slow_poke]

Brexit means Brexit, guys.

Brexit.

BRexit, Not UKexit.
BR can exit all they like and leave NI behind.
Let's face it, NI wants to remain within the EU anyway, and the Little Englander Nationalists don't care two stuffs about the place if it means they gain their exit.