How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 2)

[sidicks]

Ghibli said:

sidicks said:

I've explained, I want to be able to control who comes in and out to align with the needs of the country, which will change over time. I really don;t see why you're struggling to understand this. Do you think that every EU immigrant to the UK adds net value with no negative consequences?

What do you mean by I want to be able to control ? Are you going to be in charge of immigration when we leave.

It's pretty obvious what I mean, but if you aren't able to comprehend what I've said then I'll live with it.

Edited by sidicks on Sunday 17th December 17:09

[///ajd]

sidicks said:

It is only other countries who can stop free movement for Brits into the EU - I guess that you're worried that you won't be able to work in France on merit, so don't want a system where they can refuse you?

I've explained, I want to be able to control who comes in and out to align with the needs of the country, which will change over time. I really don't see why you're struggling to understand this. Do you think that every EU immigrant to the UK adds net value with no negative consequences?

Edited by sidicks on Sunday 17th December 17:02

No, I'm not worried, plenty of skills and I've landed several jobs against international competition in the past and had a great experience living abroad. I know you tried and failed to live and work abroad - but keep trying, its worth it.

So, what are these negative consequences?

Is it law breaking? We have laws for that don't we that apply to all?
If not law breaking, what is it?

[don'tbesilly]

frisbee said:

don'tbesilly said:

Your point is?

May and the Tories have already ruled out a second referendum, she repeated the same last week.
The Tories are in Government.

Labour supported leaving the EU in their last manifesto, and stated this meant leaving the Single market.
Diane Abbott stated there is no support for a second referendum within their party on the Marr show this morning.
If there was an election prior to March 2019, it's unlikely they would win on an acknowledged shift in position on policy in regards Brexit

The only party supporting a second referendum are the Lid-Dems, no need to add any more!

And if the numbers keep going up? Do you really think one of the big parties wouldn't U-turn and then out of fear of loosing the other side will as well?

May is well known for her U-turns, no one has a clue what labour will do, especially labour!

Its been nearly 18 months since the referendum and absolutely nothing has changed. Your belief in the resolve and honour of our current sorry bunch of politicians is adorable.

Either political parties could well change their stance on Brexit and a second referendum.

I'm also quite sure that both May and Corbyn are aware of what the implications of doing so are. (Corbyn probably less so)

[anonymous-user]

sidicks said:

Ghibli said:

sidicks said:

I've explained, I want to be able to control who comes in and out to align with the needs of the country, which will change over time. I really don;t see why you're struggling to understand this. Do you think that every EU immigrant to the UK adds net value with no negative consequences?

What do you mean by I want to be able to control ? Are you going to be in charge of immigration when we leave.

You don't understand the point being made? Er, ok.

No I don't,

I'm guessing the most you have done is put an X in a box at a polling station.

You voted to stop free movement and the only control you had was using a pen/pencil

[frisbee]

sidicks said:

Nothing has changed? Where have you been?

Dec 2017 - June 2016 = 18 months

We should be 75% of the way towards leaving, just sorting out the final details.

They haven't even agreed how many parking spaces each party at the negotiations gets yet...

[///ajd]

The Dangerous Elk said:

///ajd said:

It's up to you to justify it, not me.
I have, it is what I want, ie Controlled Immigration. It has zero to do with numbers or source or colour or penis size, just need

My view the costs are huge, will drag down our economy, and cover such small numbers that it is a pointless exercise.
I disagree, IMHO the cost of uncontrolled immigration is higher and more socially damaging

I suspect your case is Dacre fuelled Farage bilge with no credible numbers behind it, show me I'm wrong.
pillock

Australia take in a higher proportion of their population as immigrants than us.
They choose their need, any numbers comparison is void, it is about need

Its up to you to demonstrate that you have a sound basis & data for your conviction that immigration is bad and you have the clear view of how to control it and why.
I have NOT said immigration is bad, I said UNCONTROLLED Immigration is socially damaging, costly and impacts of the social provisions government provide. Why do you try to re-word stuff people say ? Do you have a problem reading ?

If you want to leave it at 2 plumbers, 4 civil servants and £20, that is your choice. It proves my point if you do.
I hate to inform you, you have made no valid point whatsoever

But you have no data at all to back up your rant.

Beautiful, couldn't have hoped for a better response.

[sidicks]

///ajd said:

No, I'm not worried, plenty of skills and I've landed several jobs against international competition in the past and had a great experience living abroad. I know you tried and failed to live and work abroad - but keep trying, its worth it.

More lies from you ///adj?

I had the opportunity to work abroad and then changed my plans - no failure of anything. I already get to work with clients all over the world. HTH

///ajd said:

So, what are these negative consequences?

Is it law breaking? We have laws for that don't we that apply to all?
If not law breaking, what is it?

If you genuinely don't think there are any consequences to uncontrolled immigration then you're more stupid than many of us previously believed.

Are you still struggling to understand why uncontrolled immigration isn't used anywhere else in the world?

[The Dangerous Elk]

frisbee said:

Dec 2017 - June 2016 = 18 months

We should be 75% of the way towards leaving, just sorting out the final details.

They haven't even agreed how many parking spaces each party at the negotiations gets yet...

Remember we are dealing with a system that after 50+ years cannot agree why it has two parliament buildings in two towns.

[sidicks]

Ghibli said:

No I don't,

Never mind - maybe ask an adult for an explanation?

[powerstroke]

///ajd said:

No, I'm not worried, plenty of skills and I've landed several jobs against international competition in the past and had a great experience living abroad. I know you tried and failed to live and work abroad - but keep trying, its worth it.

So, what are these negative consequences?

Is it law breaking? We have laws for that don't we that apply to all?
If not law breaking, what is it?

What if you weren't so clever then what ?? are we back to survival of the fittest
don't you want to see all the citizens of the UK have a chance to feed , house and look after themselves and raise a family .. be paid a fair wage for a days work ...

[anonymous-user]

sidicks said:

Ghibli said:

No I don't,

Never mind - maybe ask an adult for an explanation?

Thanks for the clarification that you are not an adult.

[sidicks]

frisbee said:

Dec 2017 - June 2016 = 18 months

We should be 75% of the way towards leaving, just sorting out the final details.

They haven't even agreed how many parking spaces each party at the negotiations gets yet...

Really? I think you might have missed the results of the latest round of negotiations.

Maybe the problem is that you're under the impression that it's a linear process, failing to understand that negotiations just don't work that way?

[The Dangerous Elk]

///ajd said:

But you have no data at all to back up your rant.

Beautiful, couldn't have hoped for a better response.

Data for what ?

and what rant ?

Oh look, a squirrel

[sidicks]

Ghibli said:

Thanks for the clarification that you are not an adult.

My post is perfectly comprehensible to anyone with basic comprehension skills. Unfortunately you appear to have excluded yourself from that group.

[don'tbesilly]

sidicks said:

Ghibli said:

No I don't,

Never mind - maybe ask an adult for an explanation?

He might get the opportunity tomorrow, the bell normally goes at 9.00am and they don't break up until next Friday.

[anonymous-user]

sidicks said:

Ghibli said:

Thanks for the clarification that you are not an adult.

My post is perfectly comprehensible to anyone with basic comprehension skills. Unfortunately you appear to have excluded yourself from that group.

Which group would that be ? The leave the EU group which had lots of promises we have yet to see.

[don'tbesilly]

More dire Brexit news:

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/local-news/jcb...

[sidicks]

Ghibli said:

Which group would that be ? The leave the EU group which had lots of promises we have yet to see.

No, the group that speaks English and is able to move beyond a pure literal interpretation of the words used in a simple sentence.

For the avoidance of doubt, when I said I wanted free trade with Europe, I wasn't speaking solely about me personally then either, I was talking about the Country as a whole. I'm sure that everyone else understood this, but given your confusion above, I thought I'd better spell it out for you!

[Robertj21a]

From the various posts/rants from ///ajd today I reckon he has:-

- asked 165 questions
- answered 3 questions
- deflected 74 issues that he didn't like
- put words in other people's mouths 39 times
- referred to the Guardian/charts/experts on 48 occasions.....



NB. Like much of the data from ///ajd these statistics may not be totally true...

[sidicks]

Robertj21a said:

From the various posts/rants from ///ajd today I reckon he has:-

- asked 165 questions
- answered 3 questions
- deflected 74 issues that he didn't like
- put words in other people's mouths 39 times
- referred to the Guardian/charts/experts on 48 occasions.....



NB. Like much of the data from ///ajd these statistics may not be totally true...