How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 2)
Discussion
Robertj21a said:
jjlynn27 said:
That's so sad, I came to this site to find friends. 
You are doing much better when you just blindly do your cringe-worthy "+1". You should make friends with Rich_W, you seem as bright and educated as he is.
jjlynn27 said:
Robertj21a said:
jjlynn27 said:
That's so sad, I came to this site to find friends. You are doing much better when you just blindly do your cringe-worthy "+1". You should make friends with Rich_W, you seem as bright and educated as he is.
Robertj21a said:
jjlynn27 said:
Robertj21a said:
jjlynn27 said:
That's so sad, I came to this site to find friends. You are doing much better when you just blindly do your cringe-worthy "+1". You should make friends with Rich_W, you seem as bright and educated as he is.
Back on topic
The so called "Brexit" cabinet were meeting to agree the approach to the next round.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42385002
Wonder if anything will be leaked
The so called "Brexit" cabinet were meeting to agree the approach to the next round.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42385002
Wonder if anything will be leaked
JagLover said:
Back on topic
The so called "Brexit" cabinet were meeting to agree the approach to the next round.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42385002
Wonder if anything will be leaked
Step forwards Malcolm Tucker...The so called "Brexit" cabinet were meeting to agree the approach to the next round.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42385002
Wonder if anything will be leaked
...I really can't help myself from applying the Thick of It to all of this sorry episode of politics. The way behind the scenes things bumbled along constantly having to patch over the last mess, but creating a new one to solve.
JagLover said:
Back on topic
The so called "Brexit" cabinet were meeting to agree the approach to the next round.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42385002
Wonder if anything will be leaked
How can this not have been discussed and agreed already?The so called "Brexit" cabinet were meeting to agree the approach to the next round.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42385002
Wonder if anything will be leaked
Bloody farce.
PurpleMoonlight said:
JagLover said:
Back on topic
The so called "Brexit" cabinet were meeting to agree the approach to the next round.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42385002
Wonder if anything will be leaked
How can this not have been discussed and agreed already?The so called "Brexit" cabinet were meeting to agree the approach to the next round.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42385002
Wonder if anything will be leaked
Bloody farce.
Pathetic.
PurpleMoonlight said:
How can this not have been discussed and agreed already?
Bloody farce.
Probably because May deliberately didn't want it discussed until phase 1 had been agreed, including the payments to be made Bloody farce.
Trade talks themselves aren't starting until March so we plenty of time to agree a position.
JagLover said:
Probably because May deliberately didn't want it discussed until phase 1 had been agreed, including the payments to be made
Trade talks themselves aren't starting until March so we plenty of time to agree a position.
but without knowing your position before you even decided that Brexit might be worthwhile means that you can't decide that Brexit is a good idea before deciding whether to do it or.Trade talks themselves aren't starting until March so we plenty of time to agree a position.
i.e. it means you're an idiot, deciding to take a course of action before understanding the consequences of that action.
Oh Lynn you ugly, ugly troll.
Attacking peoples grammar on an internet forum (you'd have a melt down on old shortened twitter! ) does tend to point towards a superiority complex. And attacking where someone grew up (and I never once said I lived in Croydon, but hey keep lying - Though I have been down Davidson Road a few times) doesn't do you any favours. I know where I come from. I know what I've achieved. I know what people from my school/social group have achieved. Some well, some not so well. But I NEVER look down on someone from where they come from. Why would I? I'm not that insecure. I judge people based on how they deal with me. I dread to think how you come across in real life to people.
I don't know why anyone engages with you. You like the other Remainiacs on this thread Ajd/OBD/mx5 NEVER understand where people are coming from. You never accept anything anyone says as plausible. You lie, misread, find "facts" to fit your warped arguments. And then when that fails. Time and Time again, you attack the poster instead of having the intelligence and social ability to make a sensible counter point. Not one Leave voter on here has dismissed a sensible counter idea to any of the problems of the EU. The only time they get rejected is when it's essentially "not leaving but staying in the EU" If anything we've seen Leave voters suggest ways the EU should change. But as ever you lot dismiss everything that doesn't involve "stay in, more migrants, more power to the EU. More payments to the EU. In fact f
k the UK"
At no point have I seen any of the aforementioned undesirables explain WHY immigration is a concern to many. At no point have I seen them explain WHY we should stay in the EU ,except for the blindly optimistic "its better for us" (Parts of it are great. Parts that cant be changed definitely not.) They assume that Brexit will be a complete unmitigated disaster and we will all be eating gruel for the next 50 years as we become a sleepy backwater. You have no idea what the EU is going to do in 5 years. Let alone 10. You can't predict the future, but find numerous biased articles on Indy and Guardian sites to "prove" you're correct.
And riding above all this is
I never understand why you even care?
You're obviously doing considerably better than everyone else here. With your massive salary, husband and family and fleet of nice cars. I can only guess with your constant level of condescension, that you hope one day to work for the EU Commission. It seems to be the one trait they admire over all else. So keep it up
Same with his comments on Trump. To become rabidly anti-Trump is ridiculous. But then I don't recall him ever kicking Obama
i.e. it means you're an idiot, deciding to take a course of action before understanding the consequences of that action.The course of action was set by the referendum though.
I do agree though that a working guidelines that ALL ministers could get behind, give a united front on, might have helped. Alternatively, it might have given the EU time to form counter arguments/arrangement to each and every one of them.
It's the anti Brexit media that drive this demand to see everything the DExEU are up to before it's required. I fear its more a desire to scupper our negotiations instead of report to the public.
ISTR May saying something like "we wont be giving a running commentary on Brexit" Should have kept to the script on that. Would stop a lot of the troubles we've been seeing with a divided cabinet etc.
Attacking peoples grammar on an internet forum (you'd have a melt down on old shortened twitter!
) does tend to point towards a superiority complex. And attacking where someone grew up (and I never once said I lived in Croydon, but hey keep lying - Though I have been down Davidson Road a few times) doesn't do you any favours. I know where I come from. I know what I've achieved. I know what people from my school/social group have achieved. Some well, some not so well. But I NEVER look down on someone from where they come from. Why would I? I'm not that insecure. I judge people based on how they deal with me. I dread to think how you come across in real life to people.I don't know why anyone engages with you. You like the other Remainiacs on this thread Ajd/OBD/mx5 NEVER understand where people are coming from. You never accept anything anyone says as plausible. You lie, misread, find "facts" to fit your warped arguments. And then when that fails. Time and Time again, you attack the poster instead of having the intelligence and social ability to make a sensible counter point. Not one Leave voter on here has dismissed a sensible counter idea to any of the problems of the EU. The only time they get rejected is when it's essentially "not leaving but staying in the EU" If anything we've seen Leave voters suggest ways the EU should change. But as ever you lot dismiss everything that doesn't involve "stay in, more migrants, more power to the EU. More payments to the EU. In fact f
k the UK"At no point have I seen any of the aforementioned undesirables explain WHY immigration is a concern to many. At no point have I seen them explain WHY we should stay in the EU ,except for the blindly optimistic "its better for us" (Parts of it are great. Parts that cant be changed definitely not.) They assume that Brexit will be a complete unmitigated disaster and we will all be eating gruel for the next 50 years as we become a sleepy backwater. You have no idea what the EU is going to do in 5 years. Let alone 10. You can't predict the future, but find numerous biased articles on Indy and Guardian sites to "prove" you're correct.
And riding above all this is
I never understand why you even care?
You're obviously doing considerably better than everyone else here. With your massive salary, husband and family and fleet of nice cars. I can only guess with your constant level of condescension, that you hope one day to work for the EU Commission. It seems to be the one trait they admire over all else. So keep it up
coldel said:
Does anyone watch the Jonathan Pie YT vids, well worth a watch just because they do contain satirical humour but also some 'balls out this is the situation what on earth is everyone playing at' points of view on the whole political landscape.
Used to, but he changed his style too much and lost his Impartiality. I'm fine for people to kick the Conservatives IF it's justified. But when it's all Conservatives kicking it loses it's point. he also goes a bit Student politics in trying for soundbites instead of a broader picture, which gratesSame with his comments on Trump. To become rabidly anti-Trump is ridiculous. But then I don't recall him ever kicking Obama
travel is dangerous said:
JagLover said:
Probably because May deliberately didn't want it discussed until phase 1 had been agreed, including the payments to be made
Trade talks themselves aren't starting until March so we plenty of time to agree a position.
but without knowing your position before you even decided that Brexit might be worthwhile means that you can't decide that Brexit is a good idea before deciding whether to do it or.Trade talks themselves aren't starting until March so we plenty of time to agree a position.
i.e. it means you're an idiot, deciding to take a course of action before understanding the consequences of that action.
I do agree though that a working guidelines that ALL ministers could get behind, give a united front on, might have helped. Alternatively, it might have given the EU time to form counter arguments/arrangement to each and every one of them.
It's the anti Brexit media that drive this demand to see everything the DExEU are up to before it's required. I fear its more a desire to scupper our negotiations instead of report to the public.
ISTR May saying something like "we wont be giving a running commentary on Brexit" Should have kept to the script on that. Would stop a lot of the troubles we've been seeing with a divided cabinet etc.
Edited by Rich_W on Monday 18th December 14:13
travel is dangerous said:
JagLover said:
Probably because May deliberately didn't want it discussed until phase 1 had been agreed, including the payments to be made
Trade talks themselves aren't starting until March so we plenty of time to agree a position.
but without knowing your position before you even decided that Brexit might be worthwhile means that you can't decide that Brexit is a good idea before deciding whether to do it or.Trade talks themselves aren't starting until March so we plenty of time to agree a position.
i.e. it means you're an idiot, deciding to take a course of action before understanding the consequences of that action.
JagLover said:
Probably because May deliberately didn't want it discussed until phase 1 had been agreed, including the payments to be made
Trade talks themselves aren't starting until March so we plenty of time to agree a position.
Why not? She and Davis have been touting what the Government wants for months, but in reality they haven't decided yet?Trade talks themselves aren't starting until March so we plenty of time to agree a position.
Phase 2 talks would be a better description.
PurpleMoonlight said:
Why not? She and Davis have been touting what the Government wants for months, but in reality they haven't decided yet?
Phase 2 talks would be a better description.
A fair questionPhase 2 talks would be a better description.
The most obvious answer is that if we had of arrived at an agreed position on what we wanted the EU would have been busy telling us it wasn’t possible while we had not yet agreed the payment to be made or other issues.
Politics is the art of the possible, nowhere more evident than in terms of the Brexit “deal”. There are a fairly narrow set of options that could both get through parliament and save the Tory party from the destruction that would result from betraying half its supporters. May will follow a path to arrive at this outcome while taking Brexiteers with her step by step.
First step was agreeing a payment. Second step agreeing to a transition deal on the EUs terms, we might be able to register new EU migrants in this period though (I think that was also allowed as full members
) . Final step signing the trade deal that mostly safeguards EU interests.Why else do you think Gove was saying a future UK government could revisit the deal negotiated.
Rich_W said:
coldel said:
Does anyone watch the Jonathan Pie YT vids, well worth a watch just because they do contain satirical humour but also some 'balls out this is the situation what on earth is everyone playing at' points of view on the whole political landscape.
Used to, but he changed his style too much and lost his Impartiality. I'm fine for people to kick the Conservatives IF it's justified. But when it's all Conservatives kicking it loses it's point. he also goes a bit Student politics in trying for soundbites instead of a broader picture, which gratesSame with his comments on Trump. To become rabidly anti-Trump is ridiculous. But then I don't recall him ever kicking Obama
Edited by Rich_W on Monday 18th December 14:13
He was very much bashing Labour/Corbyn prior to the election, and has laid into various political establishments as well, he has a leaning but everyone is game. And Trump, well how can you ignore the ammunition he brings to the game, its too much to ignore...he certainly is anti-brexit but of course he is going for soundbites as he runs a you tube channel where videos are meant to be tongue in cheek but cutting and just a couple of minutes long - I'm not expecting a detailed overview of things and listening it is him shouting out statements that are 'challenging' rather than any type of solution set.
Well worth watching the homelessness one, there are a few not so political ones worth watching. He stood and spoke about Grenfell and his closing rant was '390million for a refit of Buckingham Palace, bet they get a sprinkler system!'
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