How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 2)
Discussion
mike9009 said:
For those proponents of a second referendum, what would the question be??
Do you accept the negotiated position of the UK to leave the EU?
Or do we have three positions?
1. Leave without the negotiated position
2. Leave with the negotiated position
3. Remain
It just will not work.........
Referendums are not generally how we do things. Would be very happy for parliament to decide on the above if they can be allowed to do so without threat of punishment from their party or violence from members of the public if they pick the "wrong" answer. Which means the Leave side need to get their house in order first.Do you accept the negotiated position of the UK to leave the EU?
Or do we have three positions?
1. Leave without the negotiated position
2. Leave with the negotiated position
3. Remain
It just will not work.........
A second referendum may be needed for those who want to see parliamentary sovereignty stopped on the issue of leaving the European Union because there was an opinion poll taken in the increasingly distant past.
Coolbanana said:
What type of Leave; would you want a 'hard Brexit' or some type of deal, any deal will do approach?
There do appear to be many "No Deal' types blustering away in various Media comments I see and, frankly, if the majority of the Leave Majority wanted that, they should get it. Leave completely, go WTO with the EU and try and strike whatever Deals they can with the ROW.
Heck, they can pocket the 40 million and spend it on the NHS.
I would then be able to sit back with my popcorn and watch the UK embarrass itself - which will be hilarious when confronting and challenging those that voted for it. Sadly, not so funny for those who are surrounded by Brexit Cultists intoxicated on a Nirvana that the UK is simply not strong enough in any capacity to ever deliver.
But I would definitely have a good laugh at the Leavers.
So go for it, go Hard!
i don't think there is a definition of brexit that will please everyone . for me free movement of people is a good thing, free movement of labour not so much. i do not want political decisions that effect this country being made anywhere else, too much trouble holding those making them to account.There do appear to be many "No Deal' types blustering away in various Media comments I see and, frankly, if the majority of the Leave Majority wanted that, they should get it. Leave completely, go WTO with the EU and try and strike whatever Deals they can with the ROW.
Heck, they can pocket the 40 million and spend it on the NHS.
I would then be able to sit back with my popcorn and watch the UK embarrass itself - which will be hilarious when confronting and challenging those that voted for it. Sadly, not so funny for those who are surrounded by Brexit Cultists intoxicated on a Nirvana that the UK is simply not strong enough in any capacity to ever deliver.
But I would definitely have a good laugh at the Leavers.
So go for it, go Hard! i do not want the country to be paying for a massive bureaucratic machine that quite clearly is run by idiots for the benefit of those idiots (the regular moving of the eu parliament between brussels and strasbourg for example ,anyone agreeing with that nonsense should be neutered immediately to stop the spread of the stupid gene, imo, of course
). we have our own behemoth to fund without funding clowns across the channel.i see no reason (bar spite and surely high level professional politicians wouldn't stoop that low ?) that various international collaborations between the eu itself and the various european nations and the uk cannot continue. i wish all the best for the rest or europe. they clearly have a different outlook to the eu political construct than we in the uk do. that is not a bad or a good thing, it is just different. for the eu to continue and become a future success greater integration will be required. i can see the benefits to this and believe that far in the future when the human race has evolved there is every chance that a one world government will be the end game, now is not the time though,
again imo.
it may come as a surprise but many moons ago i was a supporter of the eu. the people running it soon knocked that out of me, though politicians of all nations have done a good job of developing my opinion of them from respect to ambivalence then further to utter contempt and hatred for them all,so not just the fault of the eu variety.
gooner1 said:
alfie2244 said:
gooner1 said:
alfie2244 said:
Slasher 
It's all YOUR fault alfie.Ooops, wrong nutter.
My apologies, alfie.
Edited by gooner1 on Sunday 21st January 15:54
mx5nut said:
mike9009 said:
For those proponents of a second referendum, what would the question be??
Do you accept the negotiated position of the UK to leave the EU?
Or do we have three positions?
1. Leave without the negotiated position
2. Leave with the negotiated position
3. Remain
It just will not work.........
Referendums are not generally how we do things. Would be very happy for parliament to decide on the above if they can be allowed to do so without threat of punishment from their party or violence from members of the public if they pick the "wrong" answer. Which means the Leave side need to get their house in order first.Do you accept the negotiated position of the UK to leave the EU?
Or do we have three positions?
1. Leave without the negotiated position
2. Leave with the negotiated position
3. Remain
It just will not work.........
A second referendum may be needed for those who want to see parliamentary sovereignty stopped on the issue of leaving the European Union because there was an opinion poll taken in the increasingly distant past.
Was that the point you were trying to make, and are increasingly and on a hourly / daily basis more butt hurt about, bless.
As mentioned previously, there are SSRI's available to deal with your angst and depression, and given your increasingly bitter posts your GP might be able to offer the option of sectioning, although you will need an adult to accompany you on your visit to your GP for the option to be sanctioned.
#PrayFormx5nut'sangst
mx5nut said:
It's nice to have a timely reminder of how anti democratic some Leave supporters can be every so often - thanks 
In the last 3 years we have had:A general election at which a party promising an in/out referendum won.
A vote by the Commons to hold such a referendum and it's type and nature (In/out) by 544 to 53.
Said referendum, which had the largest turnout of any vote in terms of numbers in UK history.
A vote by the Commons to enact said result by invoking Article 50 and in effect leaving the EU by 494 to 122.
Another general election at which two parties promising to continue to process and both having a policy to leave the Single Market obtained 82.3% of the vote.
Another vote by the Commons to approve the EU Withdrawal Bill on it's 3rd reading.
The above are just the highlights. We've even had a Supreme Court case as well.
Now, regardless of some of the rather silly stuff some Leave supporters may sometimes spout, that is a f
k load of democracy on the subject in a short space of time. Just how much do you want?mx5nut said:
A second referendum may be needed for those who want to see parliamentary sovereignty stopped on the issue of leaving the European Union because there was an opinion poll taken in the increasingly distant past.
Right, so you seem to in one breath say an opinion poll shouldn't trump parliamentary sovereignty then you say that a vote should be taken to stop parliament invoking the sovereignty you previously said it should have?544 MPs voted to have the referendum. They voted for it knowing what it was and knowing it was an In/Out.
494 of them then voted, in Parliament, to leave the EU.
589 of them then stood, just 6 months ago, on a manifesto of leaving the EU (and indeed the Single Market) and were elected as such.
Are you saying these people are so incredibly stupid they had no idea they were doing any of this? In which case should they not step down immediately?
don'tbesilly said:
The opinion poll that lead to the Leave opinion outnumbering that of the Remain opinion that lead to invoking A50 and thus the UK leaving the EU.
Was that the point you were trying to make, and are increasingly and on a hourly / daily basis more butt hurt about, bless.
As mentioned previously, there are SSRI's available to deal with your angst and depression, and given your increasingly bitter posts your GP might be able to offer the option of sectioning, although you will need an adult to accompany you on your visit to your GP for the option to be sanctioned.
#PrayFormx5nut'sangst
Please play the ball, not the man.... Was that the point you were trying to make, and are increasingly and on a hourly / daily basis more butt hurt about, bless.
As mentioned previously, there are SSRI's available to deal with your angst and depression, and given your increasingly bitter posts your GP might be able to offer the option of sectioning, although you will need an adult to accompany you on your visit to your GP for the option to be sanctioned.
#PrayFormx5nut'sangst
Thanks
Mike
mike9009 said:
don'tbesilly said:
The opinion poll that lead to the Leave opinion outnumbering that of the Remain opinion that lead to invoking A50 and thus the UK leaving the EU.
Was that the point you were trying to make, and are increasingly and on a hourly / daily basis more butt hurt about, bless.
As mentioned previously, there are SSRI's available to deal with your angst and depression, and given your increasingly bitter posts your GP might be able to offer the option of sectioning, although you will need an adult to accompany you on your visit to your GP for the option to be sanctioned.
#PrayFormx5nut'sangst
Please play the ball, not the man.... Was that the point you were trying to make, and are increasingly and on a hourly / daily basis more butt hurt about, bless.
As mentioned previously, there are SSRI's available to deal with your angst and depression, and given your increasingly bitter posts your GP might be able to offer the option of sectioning, although you will need an adult to accompany you on your visit to your GP for the option to be sanctioned.
#PrayFormx5nut'sangst
Thanks
Mike
Thanks
don'tbesilly said:
Please send the same message to all who post on the thread, not just those who's agenda doesn't suit that of your own......
Thanks
I have and JJ played the ball yesterdayThanks
'Paranoia is a skill' - J Shirley
Thanks
Mike
<leaves thread for a few weeks again>
Edited by mike9009 on Sunday 21st January 18:56
mike9009 said:
don'tbesilly said:
Please send the same message to all who post on the thread, not just those who's agenda doesn't suit that of your own......
Thanks
I have and JJ played the ball yesterdayThanks
'Paranoia is a skill' - J Shirley
Thanks
Mike
andymadmak said:
I think I am happy to let our peers judge who is honest and who is not.
Last time we were going to allow our peers to judge us, you chickened out, claiming it would be unfair.
Go find a rock and hide beneath it JJ. You're beyond redemption, you sad, sad little man
Oh man...Last time we were going to allow our peers to judge us, you chickened out, claiming it would be unfair.
Go find a rock and hide beneath it JJ. You're beyond redemption, you sad, sad little man
Last time, like now, you were seeking approval from random pixels on the screen. I guess that explains your desperate scramble to get support from wherever you can. Are you putting that much stock in what random people on the internet think? Are you that insecure?
Damn, this dwarfs Tuna's counting post in term of being saddest post ever.
I hope you get as many
as you need.'allow our peers to judge us' ....
London424 said:
First out of the blocks baggsying the position. Wait until it dawns on the rest...
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