How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 2)
Discussion
richie99 said:
I admire DPs optimism but the U.K. Government is not ‘almost ready with an IT system’.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/getting-ready-f...http://www.computerweekly.com/news/450426393/HMRC-...
These two are important. The first one is CDS - the replacement for the current customs system CHIEF. It goes live in August, and the full cutover is happening a bit ahead of schedule by the looks of it.
The second one is a discussion of the blockchain border concept. Well worth a read if you have five minutes.
They aren't quite as s
t as you think.barryrs said:
I know nothing of such things however my interpretation of Dave’s post that this has been coming for some time and not commissioned immediately post leave?
There are two things going on. CDS is the replacement for CHIEF and was planned pre-brexit. They had to quickly rescope it to cope with ten times the previous volume, but fortunately it seems that the system they chose was designed to scale properly.After Brexit HMRC started some blue-sky thinking about what they would be able to do with a completely free rein on customs - and the idea of a "virtual customs free zone" came out of that.
The meeting I was in with some bods from DIT and HMT and some other business people was quite revealing - even some of the people in the room who I know to be quite anti-brexit were really rather enthusiastic about what it could mean for their businesses.
Edited by davepoth on Sunday 25th February 22:37
barryrs said:
I know nothing of such things however my interpretation of Dave’s post that this has been coming for some time and not commissioned immediately post leave?
Of course, the point is not whether it can be delivered to a deadline, but whether such a system is acceptable in principle. I note that all of the naysayers on here are attacking the government's ability to deliver (fair enough) rather than the more important question of whether the EU would agree to it.If they will, it doesn't actually matter if it takes a few kicks to get it working - it still solves the issue of the Irish border in political terms.
Can't have that, can we?
Protectionist Empires build walls
There is no need for a wall between the North and South of Ireland
There has been free movement and trade across the border since the formation of the Free State in 1922
The hard border that existed was erected to deal with the security situation and to stop terrorists using the border
If the EU wants a wall it is not for trade purposes it is for ideological reasons
The UK has repeatedly said there will be no hard border and I see no reason why there needs to be .. trade can flow and be monitored without the need for a wall
Do you not think there are border checks now ?
Of course there are, I’ve been stop checked a number of times, once by the PSNI but mostly by the GARDA and Irish Customs .. but there is no wall
Let Varafkar and the EU build a wall if they want a wall .. but it will be a political wall not an economic one
There is no need for a wall between the North and South of Ireland
There has been free movement and trade across the border since the formation of the Free State in 1922
The hard border that existed was erected to deal with the security situation and to stop terrorists using the border
If the EU wants a wall it is not for trade purposes it is for ideological reasons
The UK has repeatedly said there will be no hard border and I see no reason why there needs to be .. trade can flow and be monitored without the need for a wall
Do you not think there are border checks now ?
Of course there are, I’ve been stop checked a number of times, once by the PSNI but mostly by the GARDA and Irish Customs .. but there is no wall
Let Varafkar and the EU build a wall if they want a wall .. but it will be a political wall not an economic one
Ghibli said:
Taking control of our borders means having no border?
The evil EU are at it again
Yes, we've heard such trite before. Along with similar tosh claiming leave voters wanted to 'raise the drawbridge'... The evil EU are at it again
Of course, as yet you've been unable to find a leave voter who wants to make travel more difficult, and instead conflate an end to free movement of labour with a desire to end the free movement of people...
Ghibli said:
don'tbesilly said:
Oh well, shame you’re vote didn’t get what you wanted, gutting for you.
And what inside information have you got about what your vote is getting you?Oh well, you won't be able to answer that question because nobody knows yet, gutting for you.
Next!
Sway said:
Ghibli said:
Taking control of our borders means having no border?
The evil EU are at it again
Yes, we've heard such trite before. Along with similar tosh claiming leave voters wanted to 'raise the drawbridge'... The evil EU are at it again
Of course, as yet you've been unable to find a leave voter who wants to make travel more difficult, and instead conflate an end to free movement of labour with a desire to end the free movement of people...
ATG said:
Sway said:
Ghibli said:
Taking control of our borders means having no border?
The evil EU are at it again
Yes, we've heard such trite before. Along with similar tosh claiming leave voters wanted to 'raise the drawbridge'... The evil EU are at it again
Of course, as yet you've been unable to find a leave voter who wants to make travel more difficult, and instead conflate an end to free movement of labour with a desire to end the free movement of people...
Ignoring the existing examples of the big wide world and claiming disaster for reverting to global norms, remain hyperbole at it's finest...
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