How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 2)

[PurpleMoonlight]

Jockman said:

Anyone fancy a bit of cake?

Britain can sign trade deals in single market

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britain-can-sig...

Has that changed anything though?

I thought the current proposal was the UK could negotiate and agree trade agreements during the transition, but they can't come into effect until the transition terminates.

Is The Times now claiming they can be brought into effect during the transition?

[Jockman]

I was under the impression that The UK was not permitted an independent trade policy whilst in the Single Market and CU?

As for some of the deals coming into action, how could that happen anyway if we are still a member of the E.U.? There would be a possibility that it could clash with any existing arrangements.

[PurpleMoonlight]

Jockman said:

I was under the impression that The UK was not permitted an independent trade policy whilst in the Single Market and CU?

As for some of the deals coming into action, how could that happen anyway if we are still a member of the E.U.? There would be a possibility that it could clash with any existing arrangements.

Well we have to be able to negotiate trade agreements during the transition or we couldn't negotiate one with the EU.

[SpeckledJim]

Sounds like both sides have given quite a bit from their previous positions.

Good news. As the pressure of the deadline increases, and the realities start looking not just real but imminent, I hope and expect this sort of convergence and pragmatism continues and increases.

[confused_buyer]

SpeckledJim said:

Sounds like both sides have given quite a bit from their previous positions.

Good news. As the pressure of the deadline increases, and the realities start looking not just real but imminent, I hope and expect this sort of convergence and pragmatism continues and increases.

Yes, it seems to have got lost in the news in the wake of poisonings but there has been a subtle shift in the latest drafts now the individual EU members and the Council, rather than the Commission, have started to have their say.

The UK will have to move too of course, particularly on citizen rights during transition.

[SpeckledJim]

confused_buyer said:

SpeckledJim said:

Sounds like both sides have given quite a bit from their previous positions.

Good news. As the pressure of the deadline increases, and the realities start looking not just real but imminent, I hope and expect this sort of convergence and pragmatism continues and increases.

Yes, it seems to have got lost in the news in the wake of poisonings but there has been a subtle shift in the latest drafts now the individual EU members and the Council, rather than the Commission, have started to have their say.

The UK will have to move too of course, particularly on citizen rights during transition.

Brussels has the luxury of idealism. We don't, and nor do the EU nations.

Once the 28 governments stop listening to the pulpit and start talking real numbers I think and hope all governments on both sides will be able to push their need for continued trade to precedence over all other considerations.

[Digga]

Slightly O/T, but on the subject of the poisonings, full marks to our EU allies France and Germany in joining the US and UK in condemning the use of nerve agents by Russia.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43415271

[Tuna]

Digga said:

Slightly O/T, but on the subject of the poisonings, full marks to our EU allies France and Germany in joining the US and UK in condemning the use of nerve agents by Russia.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43415271

It's a useful reminder that despite the rather antagonistic language of some regarding the negotiations, we still share many common values and goals.

[The Dangerous Elk]

Digga said:

Slightly O/T, but on the subject of the poisonings, full marks to our NATO in condemning the use of nerve agents by Russia.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43415271

FTFY, for free as well

Edited by The Dangerous Elk on Thursday 15th March 14:53

[Digga]

The Dangerous Elk said:

Digga said:

Slightly O/T, but on the subject of the poisonings, full marks to our NATO allies and France in condemning the use of nerve agents by Russia.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43415271

FTFY, for free as well

Sure, although someone's obviously had to have a quiet word in Macron's ear, judging by his previous comments.

[ORD]

Tuna said:

It's a useful reminder that despite the rather antagonistic language of some regarding the negotiations, we still share many common values and goals.

Quite.
Such a shame that the tone of the Brexit negotiations was all wrong from the outset. It’s obscured that we are the closest of allies and friends.

[don'tbesilly]

ORD said:

Tuna said:

It's a useful reminder that despite the rather antagonistic language of some regarding the negotiations, we still share many common values and goals.

Quite.
Such a shame that the tone of the Brexit negotiations was all wrong from the outset. It’s obscured that we are the closest of allies and friends.

I'd agree, the EU didn't do a particularly good job of representing their members and still don't.
It's only recently we have seen that the members of the EU have recognised the above and do recognise your last point, that we are the closest of friends and allies.

[Murph7355]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Jockman said:

I was under the impression that The UK was not permitted an independent trade policy whilst in the Single Market and CU?

As for some of the deals coming into action, how could that happen anyway if we are still a member of the E.U.? There would be a possibility that it could clash with any existing arrangements.

Well we have to be able to negotiate trade agreements during the transition or we couldn't negotiate one with the EU.

I was under the same impression as Jockers. The biggest disappointment I had when I read about the transition period was that we were precluded from doing this. That it's gone (in theory - we'll see what gets written down) is a massive step forward to me.

Not so much that I think we're going to have 150+ trade deals sorted during that period, but that sense is prevailing.

I was also pleased to hear Davis note that the EU's transition period end was fine.

Easing up on the dates for "automatic rights to stay" (or however it is being pitched) of EU citizens strikes me as illogical, but in the overall scheme of things it's no big deal.

The FTA and final price tag are next....looking forward to seeing that.

(Have a number of "regulars" been banned from this thread? I saw Jocker's post this morning but had no time to read/respond. Fully expected to come back here tonight to find a couple of dozen pages of the usual bks. But very pleasantly surprised that it hasn't happened. If we can keep that up for the next 2.5yrs I'll rest easy that the world is indeed sane again )

[B'stard Child]

Murph7355 said:

(Have a number of "regulars" been banned from this thread? I saw Jocker's post this morning but had no time to read/respond. Fully expected to come back here tonight to find a couple of dozen pages of the usual bks. But very pleasantly surprised that it hasn't happened. If we can keep that up for the next 2.5yrs I'll rest easy that the world is indeed sane again )

Not a clue - I guess Gloria could be having a break name change and TBH he could probably do with one - I'm actually more worried for his mental health than my own

[Jockman]

B'stard Child said:

Murph7355 said:

(Have a number of "regulars" been banned from this thread? I saw Jocker's post this morning but had no time to read/respond. Fully expected to come back here tonight to find a couple of dozen pages of the usual bks. But very pleasantly surprised that it hasn't happened. If we can keep that up for the next 2.5yrs I'll rest easy that the world is indeed sane again )

Not a clue - I guess Gloria could be having a break name change and TBH he could probably do with one - I'm actually more worried for his mental health than my own

I was a bit surprised at a lack of reaction too but hey ho, people are busy.

Interesting to see the Unilever decision but they seem insistent that it’s not brexit related. I know some workers at the Port Sunlight plant and there is a palpable feeling of anxiety since the recent takeover attempt. All targets have been revised and the Company is disinvesting in certain areas. They are offered far better corporate protection in the Netherlands so a wise move for them.

Perhaps a lesson for the U.K. and its takeover regulations.

[PurpleMoonlight]

Murph7355 said:

(Have a number of "regulars" been banned from this thread? I saw Jocker's post this morning but had no time to read/respond. Fully expected to come back here tonight to find a couple of dozen pages of the usual bks. But very pleasantly surprised that it hasn't happened. If we can keep that up for the next 2.5yrs I'll rest easy that the world is indeed sane again )

Haters of the EU have, for the time being, moved on to be haters of Russia instead.

[Jockman]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Murph7355 said:

(Have a number of "regulars" been banned from this thread? I saw Jocker's post this morning but had no time to read/respond. Fully expected to come back here tonight to find a couple of dozen pages of the usual bks. But very pleasantly surprised that it hasn't happened. If we can keep that up for the next 2.5yrs I'll rest easy that the world is indeed sane again )

Haters of the EU have, for the time being, moved on to be haters of Russia instead.

Lol. Or Corbyn. Mind you I find a lot of staunch Remain voters disliking Corbyn too

[Murph7355]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Haters of the EU have, for the time being, moved on to be haters of Russia instead.

Funnily enough it's not the Eurosceptics I regard as littering this thread with inane drivel over the last few weeks. But then I guess we all see what we want to see.

To Unilever...jobs pretty much unaffected which is probably the primary thing to worry about. But I do hope our government are looking at the core reasons behind the move and looking at ways to address it in future. Whilst largely symbolic these days, I do think there are benefits to having HQs here.

[turbobloke]

Murph7355 said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

Haters of the EU have, for the time being, moved on to be haters of Russia instead.

Funnily enough it's not the Eurosceptics I regard as littering this thread with inane drivel over the last few weeks. But then I guess we all see what we want to see.

To Unilever...jobs pretty much unaffected which is probably the primary thing to worry about. But I do hope our government are looking at the core reasons behind the move and looking at ways to address it in future. Whilst largely symbolic these days, I do think there are benefits to having HQs here.

Wasn't that particular move confirmed by the movers themselves as not Brexit-related but a consequence of that take-over attempt? Maybe I was focusing too much on cornflakes and not enough on the morning news.

[Jockman]

turbobloke said:

Murph7355 said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

Haters of the EU have, for the time being, moved on to be haters of Russia instead.

Funnily enough it's not the Eurosceptics I regard as littering this thread with inane drivel over the last few weeks. But then I guess we all see what we want to see.

To Unilever...jobs pretty much unaffected which is probably the primary thing to worry about. But I do hope our government are looking at the core reasons behind the move and looking at ways to address it in future. Whilst largely symbolic these days, I do think there are benefits to having HQs here.

Wasn't that particular move confirmed by the movers themselves as not Brexit-related but a consequence of that take-over attempt? Maybe I was focusing too much on cornflakes and not enough on the morning news.

Correct. Useful article.....

Dutch courage in move to Rotterdam

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dutch-courage-i...