How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 2)

[Fittster]

Irish border with no checkpoints post-Brexit not possible, say MPs

https://news.sky.com/story/irish-border-with-no-ch...

[PurpleMoonlight]

Fittster said:

Irish border with no checkpoints post-Brexit not possible, say MPs

https://news.sky.com/story/irish-border-with-no-ch...

What they on about.

Couple of ANPR cameras and job a good'un.

[Sway]

They are correct in one regard - there currently isn't an example. As Dave has pointed out, that doesn't mean one isn't achievable.

Where they are incorrect is in the statement that the success of brexit is contingent on the outcome of the Irish border. Nonsense.

[confused_buyer]

Fittster said:

Irish border with no checkpoints post-Brexit not possible, say MPs

https://news.sky.com/story/irish-border-with-no-ch...

Rubbish. They BBC have even made a documentary about how well it operates.

[ORD]

Sway said:

They are correct in one regard - there currently isn't an example. As Dave has pointed out, that doesn't mean one isn't achievable.

Where they are incorrect is in the statement that the success of brexit is contingent on the outcome of the Irish border. Nonsense.

I agree with your first point.

But can you unpack the second point? It’s a requirement of all the Brexit scenarios under consideration, isn’t it?

[Sway]

ORD said:

Sway said:

They are correct in one regard - there currently isn't an example. As Dave has pointed out, that doesn't mean one isn't achievable.

Where they are incorrect is in the statement that the success of brexit is contingent on the outcome of the Irish border. Nonsense.

I agree with your first point.

But can you unpack the second point? It’s a requirement of all the Brexit scenarios under consideration, isn’t it?

If you read back on davepoth's posts, there are at least some within Whitehall that are defining an approach that means goods are handled effectively under bonded conditions by Approved Economic Operators - meaning that to achieve the processing of any potential tariffs, or the required level of customs inspections the whole of NI becomes a bonded warehouse.

Technically, it is feasible - indeed there are currently goods being imported under similar methods in the UK. The difficulty is one of scale and system. Both of those can be overcome, especially with the will to agree an appropriate implementation period (which could be separate to the overall transition phase, again, as long as there is willing).

[anonymous-user]

The Dangerous Elk said:

If Remainers read the thread they would have seen those post showing that the problems are solvable, but it is easier just to shout PANIC !

No panic. Quite enjoying the show TBH
A year to go..Tick Tock

[anonymous-user]

Jimboka said:

The Dangerous Elk said:

If Remainers read the thread they would have seen those post showing that the problems are solvable, but it is easier just to shout PANIC !

No panic. Quite enjoying the show TBH
A year to go..Tick Tock

It will be interesting to see how long it takes for someone to send this thread to the negotiating teams and all the problems get solved.

Hopefully the remainers won't be able to stop the leavers from sending this thread.

[Puggit]

GBP having a bit of a party today - anyone know why?

[Jockman]

Almost there now....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43456502

[anonymous-user]

Just watching Davis/Barnier press conference, all seeming much more cordial on both sides now.

[Troubleatmill]

Good news. Everybody celebrate!!

[powerstroke]

Troubleatmill said:

Good news. Everybody celebrate!!

I'm a little more pessimistic however I would think business has had a word in there shell likes
and focused minds to the result if their silly childish political games go wrong ...

[loafer123]

Was probably the next thing on Merkel’s list once she got her coalition sorted out...she did just have a “what next for the EU” chat with Macron, after all.

Perhaps they finally realised they can’t do what they want with us in the EU, so smoothing our exit is a good plan for all?

[hyphen]

Troubleatmill said:

Good news. Everybody celebrate!!

The NI border issue is still not resolved though, "No UK PM can agree to that" appears to have u-turned so the wording will be examned closely by media.

[powerstroke]

loafer123 said:

Perhaps they finally realised they can’t do what they want with us in the EU, so smoothing our exit is a good plan for all?

let's hope that's a firm commitment on both sides of the channel ...

[PurpleMoonlight]

Apparently the Scottish fishermen are bhing already.

[bazza white]

The fisheries policy has upset a few though

[gooner1]

Ghibli said:

It will be interesting to see how long it takes for someone to send this thread to the negotiating teams and all the problems get solved.

Hopefully the remainers won't be able to stop the leavers from sending this thread.

As a famous Gentleman once nearly said.

Send and be damned.

[CaptainSlow]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Apparently the Scottish fishermen are bhing already.

Seems only fair, the transition has to work both ways. After Dec 2020 it's for the UK to control.