The Irish border

[Turbotbloke]

gothatway said:

I love that. Are you sure you know what the word "semantics" means ?

Yep. And I know the difference between semantic and semantics too.

[davepoth]

The Gibraltar airport thing can be resolved reasonably easily - there's history of it working elsewhere in Europe, with Geneva Airport.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Airport

You can get off your plane into France or Switzerland. I believe that's all Spain is looking for (right now at least), and allowing them that would do a lot to grease the wheels. It may also mean we can be a bit firmer on the tax data issue, which may be a little more contentious.

[Turbotbloke]

davepoth said:

The Gibraltar airport thing can be resolved reasonably easily - there's history of it working elsewhere in Europe, with Geneva Airport.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Airport

You can get off your plane into France or Switzerland. I believe that's all Spain is looking for (right now at least), and allowing them that would do a lot to grease the wheels. It may also mean we can be a bit firmer on the tax data issue, which may be a little more contentious.

I have friends who live in Ferney-Voltaire, very confusing.

I take your point. Something may be worked out but I think it would be very wrong to imagine it'll be easy. The Gibraltarian banker I know is very much against any 'dilution' and his friends seemed to agree. I imagine they carry a lot of clout in those parts; there'll be lots of horse trading.

[Dr Jekyll]

Excellent analysis of the Irish border question.

https://brexitcentral.com/eu-cynically-exploiting-...

[ArmaghMan]

Dr Jekyll said:

Excellent analysis of the Irish border question.

https://brexitcentral.com/eu-cynically-exploiting-...

Read it.
Born and raised in South Armagh.
Article is absolute bks.
Wonder if the guy who wrote has even seen the border?

[s2art]

ArmaghMan said:

Dr Jekyll said:

Excellent analysis of the Irish border question.

https://brexitcentral.com/eu-cynically-exploiting-...

Read it.
Born and raised in South Armagh.
Article is absolute bks.
Wonder if the guy who wrote has even seen the border?

It would be helpful if you explained what he got wrong.

[gooner1]

s2art said:

It would be helpful if you explained what he got wrong.

That could indeed be handy.

[majordad]

gooner1 said:

s2art said:

It would be helpful if you explained what he got wrong.

That could indeed be handy.

If the Irish border is meant to be secure post Brexit it would take Legions to enforce it, the clue is in the previous post, have you actually seen it?

[Welshbeef]

majordad said:

If the Irish border is meant to be secure post Brexit it would take Legions to enforce it, the clue is in the previous post, have you actually seen it?

Both sides of the border.

For us we have x million unemployed and a higher unemployment rate in N Ireland this could help that situation

[Ructions]

Welshbeef said:

Both sides of the border.

For us we have x million unemployed and a higher unemployment rate in N Ireland this could help that situation

Unemployment currently stands at 3.5% in NI.

Only British passport holders can apply for Brexit border force jobs in the north, which is odd as everyone in the north is entitled to hold an Irish passport if they so wish.

[Mrr T]

s2art said:

ArmaghMan said:

Dr Jekyll said:

Excellent analysis of the Irish border question.

https://brexitcentral.com/eu-cynically-exploiting-...

Read it.
Born and raised in South Armagh.
Article is absolute bks.
Wonder if the guy who wrote has even seen the border?

It would be helpful if you explained what he got wrong.

Can I help. Make a list of all the things a customs border is required to do and then tick which the solution adhesives. When you discover the solution does not provide any of the requirements of a customs border then you should understand the plan is not even a plan. It's a vague hope built in fantasy land by a government with no ideas.

[psi310398]

Mrr T said:

Can I help. Make a list of all the things a customs border is required to do and then tick which the solution adhesives. When you discover the solution does not provide any of the requirements of a customs border then you should understand the plan is not even a plan. It's a vague hope built in fantasy land by a government with no ideas.

I'm puzzled. I sincerely ask whether you read the same article the rest of us read in the link above?

It seems to deal quite adequately with how the EU treats such things in practice elsewhere and what it could quite easily do if it chose to do so in the context of Ireland.

[p1stonhead]

psi310398 said:

Mrr T said:

Can I help. Make a list of all the things a customs border is required to do and then tick which the solution adhesives. When you discover the solution does not provide any of the requirements of a customs border then you should understand the plan is not even a plan. It's a vague hope built in fantasy land by a government with no ideas.

I'm puzzled. I sincerely ask whether you read the same article the rest of us read in the link above?

It seems to deal quite adequately with how the EU treats such things in practice elsewhere and what it could quite easily do if it chose to do so in the context of Ireland.

It’s a load of bks which tries to blame the EU for the problem we have created and have zero ideas how to fix adequately for all sides.

[psi310398]

p1stonhead said:

It’s a load of bks which tries to blame the EU for the problem we have created and have zero ideas how to fix adequately for all sides.

Ah. I'm so sorry. I missed the reasoned critique the first time round.

[don'tbesilly]

Mrr T said:

s2art said:

ArmaghMan said:

Dr Jekyll said:

Excellent analysis of the Irish border question.

https://brexitcentral.com/eu-cynically-exploiting-...

Read it.
Born and raised in South Armagh.
Article is absolute bks.
Wonder if the guy who wrote has even seen the border?

It would be helpful if you explained what he got wrong.

Can I help. Make a list of all the things a customs border is required to do and then tick which the solution adhesives. When you discover the solution does not provide any of the requirements of a customs border then you should understand the plan is not even a plan. It's a vague hope built in fantasy land by a government with no ideas.

Oh dear!
I think you need help.

[Mrr T]

psi310398 said:

Mrr T said:

Can I help. Make a list of all the things a customs border is required to do and then tick which the solution adhesives. When you discover the solution does not provide any of the requirements of a customs border then you should understand the plan is not even a plan. It's a vague hope built in fantasy land by a government with no ideas.

I'm puzzled. I sincerely ask whether you read the same article the rest of us read in the link above?

It seems to deal quite adequately with how the EU treats such things in practice elsewhere and what it could quite easily do if it chose to do so in the context of Ireland.

I read the article. It was not a critique of the EU position it was a whinge that the EU would not accept a solution which is essential ignoring any of the requirements of a customs border and pretending it's a customs border.

[Gloria Slap]

It is a nonsense article.

https://brexitcentral.com/eu-cynically-exploiting-...

It is interesting that some brexiteers think it is great and answers questions.

It doesn't.

It is not clear whether even the author Hugh, who looks about 12, believes it, or just just pumping it out to feed those wanting any straw to grasp.

A simple example.

Hugh boasts about having crossed the EU-Turkey border. Not quite sure why this is of any relevance, but he also says "it took me several hours to cross it at a quiet period in the middle of the night. And this is despite Turkey being in a customs union with the EU."

It has never taken me several hours to get into Turkey on business, so what wonders he was up to - but in any case just what point does he think he is making? It doesn't stack up against his argument that the EU won't want a lax Irish solution to undermine the Turkey border - which as his own experience suggests takes hours.

Ireland doesn't want any delays at all. Both halves are in the SM & CU so we have no issues and free trade.

The article has no solutions and the EU has rubbished the UK technology proposals so far as unworkable.

If the technology solution is so easy, why don't they install it on the EU-Turkey border and save hours there? Even with a customs union.

[Zod]

I visit Turkey a couple of times a year on business. It takes no longer to get in than it does to get into Germany.

[Mrr T]

don'tbesilly said:

Mrr T said:

s2art said:

ArmaghMan said:

Dr Jekyll said:

Excellent analysis of the Irish border question.

https://brexitcentral.com/eu-cynically-exploiting-...

Read it.
Born and raised in South Armagh.
Article is absolute bks.
Wonder if the guy who wrote has even seen the border?

It would be helpful if you explained what he got wrong.

Can I help. Make a list of all the things a customs border is required to do and then tick which the solution adhesives. When you discover the solution does not provide any of the requirements of a customs border then you should understand the plan is not even a plan. It's a vague hope built in fantasy land by a government with no ideas.

Oh dear!
I think you need help.

A new achievement on my part.

[JuniorD]

So David Davis shows up for a two hour visit to the border between NI and ROI (i.e UK and the the EU) yesterday and no one of note knew about it.



And today "the Government said failure to notify local politicians was ‘an administrative oversight’."

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/republic-o...

In all seriousness, who could believe, let alone trust these cretins to do anything with dilligence