The Irish border
Discussion
desolate said:
motco said:
I may be opening myself to ridicule (this PH after all) but what is the difference between the border with the EU in France and the border with the EU in Ireland - English Channel notwithstanding? Why should the Irish get special treatment when all other borders with non-EU states seem to work? It couldn't be that the EU are being bloody minded, could it?
Have you read the thread at all?desolate said:
motco said:
I may be opening myself to ridicule (this PH after all) but what is the difference between the border with the EU in France and the border with the EU in Ireland - English Channel notwithstanding? Why should the Irish get special treatment when all other borders with non-EU states seem to work? It couldn't be that the EU are being bloody minded, could it?
Have you read the thread at all?motco said:
I may be opening myself to ridicule (this PH after all) but what is the difference between the border with the EU in France and the border with the EU in Ireland - English Channel notwithstanding? Why should the Irish get special treatment when all other borders with non-EU states seem to work? It couldn't be that the EU are being bloody minded, could it?
The 1949 Ireland Act and the Good Friday Agreement both give the Irish special treatment. Brexit isn’t abolishing either, and the U.K. hasn’t proposed removing Irish citizens rights given by those laws and treaties. wisbech said:
The 1949 Ireland Act and the Good Friday Agreement both give the Irish special treatment. Brexit isn’t abolishing either, and the U.K. hasn’t proposed removing Irish citizens rights given by those laws and treaties.
Absolutely. We have committed to this.It's not insurmountable but it does cause some issues in respect of border control.
desolate said:
motco said:
Not really. I'm terminally lazy so I thought I'd dive in and ask for a précis. As with so many PH threads this one has veered off along many side tracks and it is time consuming to read.
The good Friday agreement complicates the border between NI and RoI.andymadmak said:
psi310398 said:
Apart from it being patently apparent that the Irish Government is no friend of the UK's, it should still be in its interests to treat the process like a divorce. It doesn't really matter who decided to leave whom. The whole process is smoother and equilibrium restored if both parties strive for good relations and a modus vivendi for the future.
But ultimately if Mr Varadkar really wants to boil the household bunny and chainsaw all the household furniture in half there is little we can do about it. We can, however, bear this behaviour in mind when the Irish Government starts looking to the UK to mitigate the effects of a No Deal Brexit on its citizens.
Nicely put!But ultimately if Mr Varadkar really wants to boil the household bunny and chainsaw all the household furniture in half there is little we can do about it. We can, however, bear this behaviour in mind when the Irish Government starts looking to the UK to mitigate the effects of a No Deal Brexit on its citizens.
Ireland's fighting its own corner, and so far is doing a good job of it. Ireland didn't ask for Brexit, wanted no part of it and is being slated for not rolling over like the whipped dog certain elements seemingly expect it to do they can Brexit. UK demands it's sovernity but expects Ireland to surrender it's?
PurpleMoonlight said:
How does it work, is it open?
Visit AndorraFree movement of people - simplified customs procedures available.
slow_poke said:
Nicely put from a Little Englander perspective.
Ireland's fighting its own corner, and so far is doing a good job of it. Ireland didn't ask for Brexit, wanted no part of it and is being slated for not rolling over like the whipped dog certain elements seemingly expect it to do they can Brexit. UK demands it's sovernity but expects Ireland to surrender it's?
Sorry, but in exactly what way has the UK asked Ireland to surrender its sovereignty? Ireland's fighting its own corner, and so far is doing a good job of it. Ireland didn't ask for Brexit, wanted no part of it and is being slated for not rolling over like the whipped dog certain elements seemingly expect it to do they can Brexit. UK demands it's sovernity but expects Ireland to surrender it's?
Further, the UK is not proposing putting up borders or in any way interfering with what goes on south of the border. If anybody is going to tell the Republic what to do, it will be the Commission. But, as Ireland is sovereign and all that, it can decide what to do about those instructions. Or perhaps not. Which might be one of the key points about Brexit...
Jinx said:
Did you read your link?Passports needed and checks made at the border.
How is that remotely similar to Ireland/NI?
slow_poke said:
Nicely put from a Little Englander perspective.
Ireland's fighting its own corner, and so far is doing a good job of it. Ireland didn't ask for Brexit, wanted no part of it and is being slated for not rolling over like the whipped dog certain elements seemingly expect it to do they can Brexit. UK demands it's sovernity but expects Ireland to surrender it's?
How exactly are we expecting Ireland to surrender it's sovereignty?Ireland's fighting its own corner, and so far is doing a good job of it. Ireland didn't ask for Brexit, wanted no part of it and is being slated for not rolling over like the whipped dog certain elements seemingly expect it to do they can Brexit. UK demands it's sovernity but expects Ireland to surrender it's?
PurpleMoonlight said:
I'd missed that. Maybe he had been for lunch with Junker.Anyway - in the even of a hard brexit I thought none of our planes could fly anyway so his point seems moot.
desolate said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
I'd missed that. Maybe he had been for lunch with Junker.Anyway - in the even of a hard brexit I thought none of our planes could fly anyway so his point seems moot.
desolate said:
I'd missed that. Maybe he had been for lunch with Junker.
Anyway - in the even of a hard brexit I thought none of our planes could fly anyway so his point seems moot.
Maybe Anyway - in the even of a hard brexit I thought none of our planes could fly anyway so his point seems moot.
It may show how desperate Ireland are to get this sorted though. I fear they know deep down that there isn't a solution.
PurpleMoonlight said:
Maybe
It may show how desperate Ireland are to get this sorted though. I fear they know deep down that there isn't a solution.
I really liked the idea of keeping the North either in the EU or with a commitment to regulatory equivalence or some such.It may show how desperate Ireland are to get this sorted though. I fear they know deep down that there isn't a solution.
I think that would have been a massive boost to their economy whilst allowing a more clean cut brexit elsewhere.
I am sure there are plenty of reasons for it not to work but thought it was worthy of exploration.
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