The Irish border
Discussion
SpeckledJim said:
On a very small scale: nothing.
On a significant scale: you won’t find sufficient buyers at sufficient margin to make the chance of jail time worth it. IMO.
What are you thinking will be smuggled?
really? Any significant monetary offset will result in someone trying to get richer for a lower investment! Today, realistically, to get goods into the UK from the EU at any significant volume, they have to come into our ports. This new "Border" means goods can come into SI's ports, then pop across the SI/NI non-border, and come out NI's port effectively "washed" as to their origin. That could be big business, very, very big business. Smuggling across the SI/NI demarkation is a historical affect, and has been carried out by very organised and well supported (including support by paramilitary orgs) gangs.On a significant scale: you won’t find sufficient buyers at sufficient margin to make the chance of jail time worth it. IMO.
What are you thinking will be smuggled?
Max_Torque said:
SpeckledJim said:
On a very small scale: nothing.
On a significant scale: you won’t find sufficient buyers at sufficient margin to make the chance of jail time worth it. IMO.
What are you thinking will be smuggled?
really? Any significant monetary offset will result in someone trying to get richer for a lower investment! Today, realistically, to get goods into the UK from the EU at any significant volume, they have to come into our ports. This new "Border" means goods can come into SI's ports, then pop across the SI/NI non-border, and come out NI's port effectively "washed" as to their origin. That could be big business, very, very big business. Smuggling across the SI/NI demarkation is a historical affect, and has been carried out by very organised and well supported (including support by paramilitary orgs) gangs.On a significant scale: you won’t find sufficient buyers at sufficient margin to make the chance of jail time worth it. IMO.
What are you thinking will be smuggled?
Nobody running a genuine business is going to buy 100 tons of, say, grain at a 5% discount if they can't account for where it is coming from when the HMRC auditor is sitting across the desk.
Individual cases of vodka sold in pub car parks, then yes.
What kind of price differential, on what kind of goods, in what kind of volumes, is going to make this possible in any kind of scale?
Tannedbaldhead said:
Funny lot the Unionist.
DUP "We want the same deal as the rest of the UK."
Tories "We'll give you a better deal than the UK."
DUP "Not good enough. We want the SAME deal as the UK."
They’ll be some craic when gay marriage and abortion rights start in NI next week. DUP "We want the same deal as the rest of the UK."
Tories "We'll give you a better deal than the UK."
DUP "Not good enough. We want the SAME deal as the UK."
I would be surprised if start stirring s
t and with words agitate a bit of protest and unrest among the loyalist proles.Drew106 said:
I travel between England and NI maybe 3 to 4 times a year.
They don't usually check your ID. Last few flights and the ferry. Just your boarding pass or booking confirmation. On the ferry it was linked to my numberplate, so didn't have to produce anything.
I suspect that's not unusual given that we are traveling between two parts of the same country. However, that's going to have to change.
I said it before in joking, but the best solution here really is to take over Ireland again... Bring back the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
...or a United Ireland.
...or a Trump wall along the border.
...or just some s-hite messy no border, but still a border, border in Irish Sea, electronic checks. Whatever the proposal is. I've lost the will to care. Brexit fatigue, seems to be the new phrase being thrown about.
I vote we scrap Brexit and everyone in the country signs an agreement not to mention it ever again and pretend it didn't happen. Have a pint and wait for this all to blow over
Like Bobby Ewing stepping out of the shower? They don't usually check your ID. Last few flights and the ferry. Just your boarding pass or booking confirmation. On the ferry it was linked to my numberplate, so didn't have to produce anything.
I suspect that's not unusual given that we are traveling between two parts of the same country. However, that's going to have to change.
I said it before in joking, but the best solution here really is to take over Ireland again... Bring back the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
...or a United Ireland.
...or a Trump wall along the border.
...or just some s-hite messy no border, but still a border, border in Irish Sea, electronic checks. Whatever the proposal is. I've lost the will to care. Brexit fatigue, seems to be the new phrase being thrown about.
I vote we scrap Brexit and everyone in the country signs an agreement not to mention it ever again and pretend it didn't happen. Have a pint and wait for this all to blow over
(Under 40s won't get this)
JuniorD said:
Tannedbaldhead said:
Funny lot the Unionist.
DUP "We want the same deal as the rest of the UK."
Tories "We'll give you a better deal than the UK."
DUP "Not good enough. We want the SAME deal as the UK."
They’ll be some craic when gay marriage and abortion rights start in NI next week. DUP "We want the same deal as the rest of the UK."
Tories "We'll give you a better deal than the UK."
DUP "Not good enough. We want the SAME deal as the UK."
I would be surprised if start stirring s
t and with words agitate a bit of protest and unrest among the loyalist proles.The sad thing is that most of them don't understand the niceties of what's happening. Just the usual knee-jerk reaction because their idols in the DUP are upset.
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ArmaghMan said:
Well well, seems Boris was lying about the border down the Irish sea again!
As long as he gets enough votes in England he doesn't give 2 fks about the rest of the UK.
If 900,000 unionists/loyalists get sold down the river in N.I it will take generations to sort out.
Yes but Unionists are not going to start bombing GB are they?As long as he gets enough votes in England he doesn't give 2 f
ks about the rest of the UK.If 900,000 unionists/loyalists get sold down the river in N.I it will take generations to sort out.
Irish issue for Irish people to sort out. NI was only supposed to be temporary anyway.
Ayahuasca said:
ArmaghMan said:
Well well, seems Boris was lying about the border down the Irish sea again!
As long as he gets enough votes in England he doesn't give 2 fks about the rest of the UK.
If 900,000 unionists/loyalists get sold down the river in N.I it will take generations to sort out.
Yes but Unionists are not going to start bombing GB are they?As long as he gets enough votes in England he doesn't give 2 f
ks about the rest of the UK.If 900,000 unionists/loyalists get sold down the river in N.I it will take generations to sort out.
Irish issue for Irish people to sort out. NI was only supposed to be temporary anyway.
t about themFN2TypeR said:
Ayahuasca said:
Yes but Unionists are not going to start bombing GB are they?
Irish issue for Irish people to sort out. NI was only supposed to be temporary anyway.
Erm, what?Irish issue for Irish people to sort out. NI was only supposed to be temporary anyway.
I think it will be, in time. Ideally, Ireland would join GB in a Greater British Isles union, with leadership rotating between England, Scotland and Ireland.
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