Next US president

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kowalski655 said:

The fence sitters went to Trump because of their dislike of Hillary, and Russian BS in Facebook. Sanders is popular across a wide demographic,and of course, anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together has seen what Trump is like over the last 3 years.
Recent polls(the NYT excepted) pretty much have both Biden and Sanders ,and most other Dens, beating Trump.
Bernie will be best for Americans

This.

Trump fans love to ignore that he won by the narrowest of margins and only because a lot of swing voters disliked Hillary more.

Trump fans are saying that the Dems "need" someone as dirty as Trump to win. This, to be polite, is wishful thinking from Trump fans who are the ones who need a dem candidate who is as dirty as Trump so they can justify how bad Trump is by claiming the Dem candidate is just as bad.

What the Dems actually need is a candidate with even just a modicum of integrity and isn't completely unlikable... Which isn't a tall order against Trump.

Let's face it, modem elections aren't about sensible policy or doing the right thing for the nation, they are popularity contests. To win, the Dems only need someone less unlikable than Trump.

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kowalski655 said:

The fence sitters went to Trump because of their dislike of Hillary, and Russian BS in Facebook.

I think Trump will manage to generate a similar amount of hate against whoever the Dems put forward next time. he did it against Hillary, he did it against Obama. He does it by finding out what his fanbase's hatey trigger points are and just lying about it repeatedly. That won't change, and neither will the Russian interference.

kowalski655 said:

Sanders is popular across a wide demographic

...but not wide enough. To an extent he's the same as Trump in that he' will have a very loyal hardcore fanbase amongst Dems, but he won't be able to attract the middle ground that Trump is able to attract through the power of bullst. Whereas Biden IS able to attract the middle ground and (I think) he'll get bernie's supporters because they've got nowhere else to go.

kowalski655 said:

anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together has seen what Trump is like over the last 3 years.

Roughly 40% of the US electorate falls into that category.

kowalski655 said:

Recent polls(the NYT excepted) pretty much have both Biden and Sanders ,and most other Dens, beating Trump.

...but only by marginal amounts, the same as what they said about Hillary. The key thing for the Dems will be about getting their base out to vote, and hoping that those GOP voters who held their nose and voted for Trump last time don't do it again.

kowalski655 said:

Bernie will be best for Americans

I think he's too left-wing for most Americans, and that's before Trump paints him as Chairman Bernie.....

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Joe Rogan endorsed Bernie, which sent the usual loopy side of ttter into a frenzy.
If Bernie on Joe's show was excellent, if he can get out there and chat, then he'll likely do well. But for one, the DNC hate him and will use their undemocratic superpac ste, also modern voters like soundbites, because a large chunk don't really think about anything and stick to their tribe.

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RDMcG said:

I would not rule out Bloomberg

Did he pay you to post that?



Joke about Bloomberg's spending before anyone gets upset.

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Halb said:

Joe Rogan endorsed Bernie, which sent the usual loopy side of ttter into a frenzy.
If Bernie on Joe's show was excellent, if he can get out there and chat, then he'll likely do well. But for one, the DNC hate him and will use their undemocratic superpac ste, also modern voters like soundbites, because a large chunk don't really think about anything and stick to their tribe.

I saw that too. It was very good.

I think at the end Bernie said he’d tell us if there were aliens if he won?

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Bernie wins if the super delegates don’t fk him in the primaries. And he does win over middle of the road voters IMO. It’ll be as close as Trump/Hillary but I think Sanders wins the right states to get the electoral college numbers.

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I think there are more people that would vote for “Biden but not Bernie” than “Bernie but not Biden”.

Bernie can’t attract the middle ground, and he will put off ems with hi high tax proposals. The polls generally show Biden’s margin of victory to be bigger than Bernie’s.

Leaving aside the Dem candidate - they also need to have a simple unifying message (like “Build the Wall” , something that differentiates them from Trump and something their supporters can coalesce around.

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Countdown said:

I think there are more people that would vote for “Biden but not Bernie” than “Bernie but not Biden”.

Bernie can’t attract the middle ground, and he will put off ems with hi high tax proposals. The polls generally show Biden’s margin of victory to be bigger than Bernie’s.

Leaving aside the Dem candidate - they also need to have a simple unifying message (like “Build the Wall” , something that differentiates them from Trump and something their supporters can coalesce around.

Exactly, I know plenty of people who voted for Trump but don't care for him. They generally don't spend their time watching the news or keeping up with details of the latest saga, so just lump it all into the "Trump is a bit of a tt" category.

They're the same people that are genuinely terrified of single payer healthcare and have a strong reaction to any kind of significant social support (like Sanders free college idea) being introduced.

In the South, in flyover states, in provincial parts of the country, this is not an insignificant chunk of the population. That's why someone middle of the road needs to run to beat Trump IMO - or at least someone that resonates with their lives and problems, and I'm not sure Sanders is that.

My partner is a big Warren fan, but she concedes that neither her nor Sanders would stand a chance. I'd love to be proven wrong, but unfortunately the more left wing a candidate is, the more the Trump campaign will just make up crazy st like they're going to take your guns and stuff to freak out the voters.

I don't think Biden is the best candidate by a long shot (and actually over time I think this whole impeachment thing is harming him a lot) but someone roughly on the same part of the policitcal spectrum as him is what's needed to win (and I say that as a Yang fan).

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Tallow said:

My partner is a big Warren fan, but she concedes that neither her nor Sanders would stand a chance. I'd love to be proven wrong, but unfortunately the more left wing a candidate is, the more the Trump campaign will just make up crazy st like they're going to take your guns and stuff to freak out the voters.

Bernie was fairly pro gun. It was a big difference between him and Hilary. Dem moaning may have pushed him to further controls on gun control but he is largely on it being a states rights issue.
https://www.businessinsider.com/fact-check-bernie-...

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Tallow said:

I don't think Biden is the best candidate by a long shot (and actually over time I think this whole impeachment thing is harming him a lot) but someone roughly on the same part of the policitcal spectrum as him is what's needed to win (and I say that as a Yang fan).

Trump's, errr, message is too simple and too strong to counter. You either make a bet with someone with a powerful message of their own or you wind up with another grey man or woman who'll lose in a civilised manner.

The world hasn't ended under Trump and it's limping along adequately enough. He'll be back in office unless someone super compelling opposes him.

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Countdown said:

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Leaving aside the Dem candidate - they also need to have a simple unifying message (like “Build the Wall” , something that differentiates them from Trump and something their supporters can coalesce around.

Very much easier said than done I reckon, especially soundbite sized.

Double so if your party is divided.

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Clinton is a pretty rotten character

Joe Rogan Responds to Bernie Sanders Endorsement Controversy
JRE Clips
https://youtu.be/P-KjcOQPVeI

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Tallow said:

My partner is a big Warren fan, but she concedes that neither her nor Sanders would stand a chance. I'd love to be proven wrong, but unfortunately the more left wing a candidate is, the more the Trump campaign will just make up crazy st like they're going to take your guns and stuff to freak out the voters.

I don't think Biden is the best candidate by a long shot (and actually over time I think this whole impeachment thing is harming him a lot) but someone roughly on the same part of the policitcal spectrum as him is what's needed to win (and I say that as a Yang fan).

Why does Warren get lumped in with Sanders? Bern is a self-confessed socialist, at least by US standards, whereas Warren appears to be an Eisenhower Republican who has cherrypicked some of Bernie's more popular ideas, therefore might actually stand a chance of balancing her books.

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hidetheelephants said:

Why does Warren get lumped in with Sanders? Bern is a self-confessed socialist, at least by US standards, whereas Warren appears to be an Eisenhower Republican who has cherrypicked some of Bernie's more popular ideas, therefore might actually stand a chance of balancing her books.

I guess in the sense that they're both perceived as being to the left of the majority of the other candidates. Rightly or wrongly, that's how Warren's viewed by independents and more right leaning people from what I've seen

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Tallow said:

hidetheelephants said:

Why does Warren get lumped in with Sanders? Bern is a self-confessed socialist, at least by US standards, whereas Warren appears to be an Eisenhower Republican who has cherrypicked some of Bernie's more popular ideas, therefore might actually stand a chance of balancing her books.

I guess in the sense that they're both perceived as being to the left of the majority of the other candidates. Rightly or wrongly, that's how Warren's viewed by independents and more right leaning people from what I've seen

Certainly by the right,but then anyone in the centre is seen as a commie by them! With independents, Trump won them by +4 in 2016, in 2020 Bernie leads by +12

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easytiger123 in page 1 said:

Harvey Weinstein

I want to see that happen

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B'stard Child said:

easytiger123 in page 1 said:

Harvey Weinstein

I want to see that happen

Natural progression.

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Gromm said:

I'll see your Weinstein and raise you with this creature

You sincerely think, in this area, Biden is dodgier than Weinstein, or, for that matter, trump? I am aware of some carefully edited videos in which Biden looks rather sleazy, but he doesn’t have multiple rape allegations or (in the case of trump) multiple rape allegations and self confessed sexual assaults on his record, does he?

This is a genuine question as all I have seen is the videos circulated by trump supporters, but I’d imagined if there were concrete allegations surely trump and his acolytes would be shouting them from the rooftops?

Happy to be corrected if there are.

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paulguitar said:

You sincerely think, in this area, Biden is dodgier than Weinstein, or, for that matter, trump? I am aware of some carefully edited videos in which Biden looks rather sleazy, but he doesn’t have multiple rape allegations or (in the case of trump) multiple rape allegations and self confessed sexual assaults on his record, does he?

This is a genuine question as all I have seen is the videos circulated by trump supporters, but I’d imagined if there were concrete allegations surely trump and his acolytes would be shouting them from the rooftops?

Happy to be corrected if there are.

It's a satirical post? Or they don't know poker?

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Now the Democrats have sorted Dons re-election we can concentrate on 2024 and will it be Don junior or Ivanka that wins