Another prove your innocence case

Another prove your innocence case

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amusingduck

9,398 posts

137 months

Tuesday 19th December 2017
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Coventry Telegraph said:
But the case against Mr Allan at Croydon Crown Court was dropped after three days when the evidence on a computer disk containing 40,000 messages revealed the alleged victim pestered him for "casual sex", reports the Mirror.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/uk-world-news/liam-allen-14056981

40,000?! Apologies if this has been covered already

coanda

2,643 posts

191 months

Tuesday 19th December 2017
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Breadvan72 said:
Thorodin said:
Three reasons for why this travesty happened and why it took so long to be seen for what it is:

Extreme feminist bias. The accuser is ipso facto the victim and excessive emphasis has been placed on the ‘we will believe you’ mantra. That can only invite abuse and cast doubt on valid claims. The bias has destroyed objectivity and officers are pressured to put targets first.

The blaming of cuts in policer manpower is complete rubbish and a political smokescreen. There are adequate numbers of staff to do the job but their problem lies in their collective assigned priorities. By priorities I mean, apart from their orders, all other running expenses.

The adversarial legal system is only serving its practitioners and to the detriment of ‘truth’.
Those wicked feminists are everywhere! If only women would know their place, we would not have these difficulties, eh? Police officers, prosecutors and Judges say that the system is under funded, but you know better, based on your extensive experience of, er... the internet?

In this case, the adversarial system produced an acquittal of an innocent man. What would you prefer?
It also destroyed an innocent mans life and has done so a number of times over.

Lucky guy eh?


anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 19th December 2017
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Met update on dodgy disclosure cases-

http://news.met.police.uk/news/statement-re-review...

ChemicalChaos

10,399 posts

161 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Apparently this case could be just the tip of the iceberg... Here come the floodgates

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5196181/Sc...

Eyersey1234

2,898 posts

80 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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coanda said:
Breadvan72 said:
Thorodin said:
Three reasons for why this travesty happened and why it took so long to be seen for what it is:

Extreme feminist bias. The accuser is ipso facto the victim and excessive emphasis has been placed on the ‘we will believe you’ mantra. That can only invite abuse and cast doubt on valid claims. The bias has destroyed objectivity and officers are pressured to put targets first.

The blaming of cuts in policer manpower is complete rubbish and a political smokescreen. There are adequate numbers of staff to do the job but their problem lies in their collective assigned priorities. By priorities I mean, apart from their orders, all other running expenses.

The adversarial legal system is only serving its practitioners and to the detriment of ‘truth’.
Those wicked feminists are everywhere! If only women would know their place, we would not have these difficulties, eh? Police officers, prosecutors and Judges say that the system is under funded, but you know better, based on your extensive experience of, er... the internet?

In this case, the adversarial system produced an acquittal of an innocent man. What would you prefer?
It also destroyed an innocent mans life and has done so a number of times over.

Lucky guy eh?
Part of the problem is the press, time after time with something like this once an accusation has been made they publish what they like and don't give a damn how accurate it is. Mud sticks and it doesn't matter how much they say sorry after someone is acquited the damage is done

robinessex

11,062 posts

182 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Mr Allen is now suing the MET

Gameface

16,565 posts

78 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Was shocked by how gaunt and skinny he is. As a result of all this perhaps? Good luck to him.

As for Mark Azariah, words fail me. Why is he not suspended?


anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Gameface said:
As for Mark Azariah, words fail me. Why is he not suspended?
Are you not doing what you are saying has happened to the accused in these cases?

Ruining someone’s reputation based on accusations rather than a conviction?

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 20th December 08:10

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Jerry Hayes on LBC . Systemic problems with late and non disclosure.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Training courses on disclosure cut because too expensive.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

262 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Breadvan72 said:
Training courses on disclosure cut because too expensive.
You don't need a training course to know that saying 'none of these records are relevant' when you haven't even looked through them is wrong.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

240 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Breadvan72 said:
Met update on dodgy disclosure cases-

http://news.met.police.uk/news/statement-re-review...
"Rape investigations are by their nature very complex, and often hinge on the contradictory accounts of the alleged suspect and the complainant about what has taken place. We are reviewing all our investigations, where we are in discussion with the CPS, to assure ourselves that we are meeting our disclosure obligations in an acceptable timescale based on the volume of data that some cases involve."

Seems they're more interested in meeting acceptable timescales rather than the fact that they're destroying innocent men's lives. There are more important lessons to learn here...


Venturist

3,472 posts

196 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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WinstonWolf said:
"Rape investigations are by their nature very complex, and often hinge on the contradictory accounts of the alleged suspect and the complainant about what has taken place. We are reviewing all our investigations, where we are in discussion with the CPS, to assure ourselves that we are meeting our disclosure obligations in an acceptable timescale based on the volume of data that some cases involve."

Seems they're more interested in meeting acceptable timescales rather than the fact that they're destroying innocent men's lives. There are more important lessons to learn here...
Regardless of what they say it seems the starting point is still guilty until proven innocent. If they don’t have time to check through records there should be no conviction at all because there’d be no proof the defendant was even in the same country as the complainant, let alone having sex with the complainant, let alone whether that sex is against the complainant’s wishes, let alone whether those wishes were made known to the defendant who decided to ignore them.

James_B

12,642 posts

258 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Breadvan72 said:
I am not sure that your question is serious. For someone who isn't an MRA, you seem awfully like an MRA.

How about -

9% pay gap.
Edited by Breadvan72 on Sunday 17th December 12:00
It’s hard to know if you are being innumerate or dishonest here.

Women out earn men into their thirties in the UK. No-one with a decent level of numeracy could make the claim that you are honestly.

James_B

12,642 posts

258 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Cold said:
Huh? Are you sure that you understand the point being made there?
He doesn’t do numbers. The degree that he keeps boasting about was not a numerate one.


Gameface

16,565 posts

78 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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cookie118 said:
Gameface said:
As for Mark Azariah, words fail me. Why is he not suspended?
Are you not doing what you are saying has happened to the accused in these cases?

Ruining someone’s reputation based on accusations rather than a conviction?

Edited by cookie118 on Wednesday 20th December 08:10
rofl

His life isn't in my hands.



anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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To the bleating oppressed males above, there is a gender pay gap. Look it up.

Venturist

3,472 posts

196 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Breadvan72 said:
To the bleating oppressed males above, there is a gender pay gap. Look it up.
Even the BBC isn’t convinced anymore and the BBC loves apparently oppressed groups...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37198653