Another prove your innocence case

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saaby93 said:

Moonhawk said:

cookie118 said:

There's this myth/perception that a not gulty/no trial verdict means it is a false report, but that is absolutely not true. It is a not guilty verdict on the defendant, but it carries no verdict for the person who made the report.

I'd say that the "they were found not guilty......but there is no smoke without fire" perception is far more prevalent. Indeed such a view is even enshrined into our legislation (e.g. past accusations showing on enhanced CRB checks - even if not guilty).

The judge in the case above where that happened has referred it back to the politicians to look at

It makes a mockery of walking free and having a clean slate otherwise.

But a great way of filling up the PNC.

[techguyone]

This will start another round of 'we must charge more no matter what'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45650463

[andy_s]

techguyone said:

This will start another round of 'we must charge more no matter what'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45650463

I wonder if the figures for those successfully prosecuted has declined.

[saaby93]

How is this one going to pan out
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-4571...
How does she prove that something didnt happen?

[Fastpedeller]

saaby93 said:

How is this one going to pan out
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-4571...
How does she prove that something didnt happen?

As regards in the aeroplane loo - If there are enough witnesses that he/she didn't enter the loo surely that is enough?

[saaby93]

Fastpedeller said:

saaby93 said:

How is this one going to pan out
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-4571...
How does she prove that something didnt happen?

As regards in the aeroplane loo - If there are enough witnesses that he/she didn't enter the loo surely that is enough?

But shes having to try to prove her innocence
It shouldnt happen
Either theres enough evidence to prove her guilt or there isnt. It shouldnt depend on who can give the most convincing story

[Gameface]

Easier to disprove than if it had allegedly occurred in her house in private.

You get caught pretty easily in aircraft toilets.

[Fastpedeller]

saaby93 said:

How is this one going to pan out
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-4571...
How does she prove that something didnt happen?

Whoops, yes I fell for that.... of course, she shouldn't have to prove her innocence!

[techguyone]

There's a number of things check-able in the story (that we know of - undoubtedly more)

The teenager, who cannot be named for legal reasons, said Miss Wilson, of Dursley in Gloucestershire, later told him she was pregnant and decided to have an abortion.

He claimed the two exchanged telephone numbers and he saved her under the name "Smurfette".


Both should be able to be verified, no?

There'as a faint possibility that he may have got her phone number perhaps, but I seriously doubt that she would have told a random schoolkid that she was going to have an abortion...
Medical records should be able to conclusively show that to be true or false - if false, he's lost all credibility.

Regarding prove your innocence. I'm afraid that seems to be the norm now in any sexually related case.

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Edit

Hrmm looked into an earlier BBC report.

She later told the boy she was pregnant by him and decided to have an abortion and kept it from her boyfriend.

Mrs Cornwall said: "There is no doubt there was a pregnancy but she does not accept that she had intercourse with the boy or that he was the father."


That doesn't look so good and will muddy the water.

Edited by techguyone on Wednesday 3rd October 09:11

[saaby93]

techguyone said:

Hrmm looked into an earlier BBC report.

She later told the boy she was pregnant by him and decided to have an abortion and kept it from her boyfriend.

If you look what it really says , it's someone else that says she said that, It's not her that told the court

You have to watch who has actually said what, and check whether it's the reporters that are coming up with it!
The Hillsborough debacle is a prime example

[techguyone]

Fair enough, we won't hear exactyl what was said in court, it is annoying though when the media just make up stuff.

[techguyone]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-4574...


Sure seems like there's enough doubts in there to make a jury think 'hmmmmmmmm' not looking good

Why do adults do things like:

She told the jury she phoned the teenager after an argument she had had with Mr Hall while they were on holiday.

"I called him because I didn't have anyone else. He knew it was bad and he wouldn't judge what I said. He knew me," she said.

• *******

Who does that? Call a 15/16 yr old up.

• ******

Ms Wilson, of Dursley, Gloucestershire, admitted meeting up with the boy and texting him after the school trip, explaining "the lines were blurred".

She told police she later told him she was pregnant by her boyfriend Andrew Hall, and was planning to have an abortion because she "felt lonely and upset".

• ******

Or that...

• *****

Ms Wilson agreed she had told the teenager to keep their meetings a secret, but added she only saw him "as a mate", and did not have feelings for him.

• *****

telling kids to keep things 'secret' isn't that a typical grooming thing?

Granted I don't know what is being said in Court, but based on that, Id be squirming in my seat a little if I was in the Jury.

Edited by techguyone on Thursday 4th October 16:54

[saaby93]

It's all guess work though
She was having a difficult relation with her partner and they did do the thing that gets you pregnant occasionally.

If the conclusion is similarly no better than tossing a coin..........

[irocfan]

techguyone said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-4574...


Sure seems like there's enough doubts in there to make a jury think 'hmmmmmmmm' not looking good

Why do adults do things like:

She told the jury she phoned the teenager after an argument she had had with Mr Hall while they were on holiday.

"I called him because I didn't have anyone else. He knew it was bad and he wouldn't judge what I said. He knew me," she said.

• *******

Who does that? Call a 15/16 yr old up.

• ******

Ms Wilson, of Dursley, Gloucestershire, admitted meeting up with the boy and texting him after the school trip, explaining "the lines were blurred".

She told police she later told him she was pregnant by her boyfriend Andrew Hall, and was planning to have an abortion because she "felt lonely and upset".

• ******

Or that...

• *****

Ms Wilson agreed she had told the teenager to keep their meetings a secret, but added she only saw him "as a mate", and did not have feelings for him.

• *****

telling kids to keep things 'secret' isn't that a typical grooming thing?

Granted I don't know what is being said in Court, but based on that, Id be squirming in my seat a little if I was in the Jury.

Edited by techguyone on Thursday 4th October 16:54

gotta be honest it's sounding a lot murkier as this goes on. At best her judgement is very poor
- 15 y/o boys have one thing on their minds, 'just mates' ain't it
- teachers are there to teach not be best mates
- a teacher shouldn't put this sort of emotional stress on a young lad (even if he were 'just a mate')

[saaby93]

Jury discharged
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-4579...

[Thorodin]

Isn't Judge Peter Blair QC the brother of A. Blair?

[saaby93]

9 months
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-45839644

[techguyone]

I'm surprised she got that, given she was a mother of 3 under 5 yrs old.

Judge must have been keen to make a point.

[WinstonWolf]

She should serve the same sentence that the man she falsely accused would have got.

[techguyone]

I agree, I've always maintained any PTCOJ should result in the person receiving the same sentence that the accused would have received.

That would send a big message to the masses.