Another prove your innocence case

[Randy Winkman]

saaby93 said:

how did this come to court
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-50398851

How did this story get in this thread?

[kowalski655]

True . This isn't a case of the CPS assuming guilt and hiding evidence,this is a case with 2 different explanations of an event.

[saaby93]

Randy Winkman said:

saaby93 said:

how did this come to court
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-50398851

How did this story get in this thread?

this thread is about how do you prove your innocence once an allegation is made against you.
What do you need?
It may have got bogged down in a certain type of case

[amusingduck]

Jesus Christ, the contrast between those two BBC chip shop articles is insane.

One makes him sound like a poor bugger with an abusive alcoholic wife who suffered a terrible accident and made everyone think he did it

The other makes him sound like evil personified, to say the least. An abusive wifebeating monster who decided to kill her in am unimaginably torturous death, and then calmly served customers whilst she lay cooking in the back.

If the latter, no punishment will be severe enough IMO...

[XCP]

That's the difference between the prosecution and defence version of the incident.

[Randy Winkman]

saaby93 said:

Randy Winkman said:

saaby93 said:

how did this come to court
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-50398851

How did this story get in this thread?

this thread is about how do you prove your innocence once an allegation is made against you.
What do you need?
It may have got bogged down in a certain type of case

OK. But unless I'm mistaken the case is ongoing and I took the inclusion of the above post in this thread to raise doubt on whether it should have come to court. Presumably time will tell us more.

[saaby93]

amusingduck said:

Jesus Christ, the contrast between those two BBC chip shop articles is insane.

One makes him sound like a poor bugger with an abusive alcoholic wife who suffered a terrible accident and made everyone think he did it

The other makes him sound like evil personified, to say the least. An abusive wifebeating monster who decided to kill her in am unimaginably torturous death, and then calmly served customers whilst she lay cooking in the back.

If the latter, no punishment will be severe enough IMO...

whoever tells the best narrative wins?

[anonymous-user]

The name of the game is to create doubt. Any reasonable doubt and the jury should acquit.

[Thorodin]

Sometimes it does seem that doubt, reasonable or not, can become the seed causing confusion that is mistaken for critical. Eloquence used as a tool for persuasion is too often rewarded. It is not evidence in itself but very useful in implying it.

[Cold]

Chip shop owner, Geoffrey Bran has been cleared of the murder and manslaughter charges.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-50474374

[saaby93]

Cold said:

Chip shop owner, Geoffrey Bran has been cleared of the murder and manslaughter charges.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-50474374

'Mr Bran, who was cleared by a jury following five hours of deliberations, was in tears as the not guilty verdicts were read out at Swansea Crown Court.'

[Venturist]

There doesn’t seem to be any information as to whether that was a “definitely not guilty” or a “not enough info to be sure”. From what you read it sounds pretty damning, mainly her words both before and after the incident?

[Cold]

Venturist said:

There doesn’t seem to be any information as to whether that was a “definitely not guilty” or a “not enough info to be sure”. From what you read it sounds pretty damning, mainly her words both before and after the incident?

An accusation does not mean guilt.

[Venturist]

Cold said:

An accusation does not mean guilt.

Absolutely, and I hope that justice has been done, given none of us besides the accused and the deceased can ever know the truth.
I meant that it would be good to hear whether it was a definitive result, and if so why; or if it was not guilty by default.

[Mojooo]

Venturist said:

Cold said:

An accusation does not mean guilt.

Absolutely, and I hope that justice has been done, given none of us besides the accused and the deceased can ever know the truth.
I meant that it would be good to hear whether it was a definitive result, and if so why; or if it was not guilty by default.

If it went to the jury then i dont believe you ever find out because they are not supposed to disclose their deliberations

[saaby93]

Mojooo said:

Venturist said:

Cold said:

An accusation does not mean guilt.

Absolutely, and I hope that justice has been done, given none of us besides the accused and the deceased can ever know the truth.
I meant that it would be good to hear whether it was a definitive result, and if so why; or if it was not guilty by default.

If it went to the jury then i dont believe you ever find out because they are not supposed to disclose their deliberations

Of course justice has been done.
The whole point of our justice system is that only if someone is found guilty are they locked up.
If there's any doubt they're presumed innocent and carry on with their lives.
Otherwise we could all end up with a rack of accusations against us.

[saaby93]

Guy saved from prosecution due to lucky availability of CCTV?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptons...

[Mojooo]

saaby93 said:

Guy saved from prosecution due to lucky availability of CCTV?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptons...

She must have killed herself accidentally if no one else is sought......?

[Cold]

JagLover said:

Sounds a strange case

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49165106

This one absolutely stinks. She's been found guilty of causing public mischief because she withdrew her complaint. But if you look into the details it seems the whole process was rotten from start to finish.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50945206

[Don Roque]

Why hasn't she been named in the press? Do the Greek courts use the Sam's cloak-and-dagger tactics as our courts do when they want to keep names out of the press?