Another prove your innocence case

[Keoparakolo]

Cold said:

This one absolutely stinks. She's been found guilty of causing public mischief because she withdrew her complaint. But if you look into the details it seems the whole process was rotten from start to finish.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50945206

Why does it stink?

There seems to be a view that only the UK can dispense justice and everywhere else is corrupt, especially when a Brit is the accused.

[techguyone]

Cold said:

JagLover said:

Sounds a strange case

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49165106

This one absolutely stinks. She's been found guilty of causing public mischief because she withdrew her complaint. But if you look into the details it seems the whole process was rotten from start to finish.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50945206

It doesn't smell good that's for sure, hopefully they can take it further.

[Kakopetria]

Wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact that the Cypriot tourist board have recently announced a drive to encourage more Israeli tourists. The Cyprus judiciary is rotten to the core, a fact that would be backed up by most Cypriots.

[Keoparakolo]

Kakopetria said:

Wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact that the Cypriot tourist board have recently announced a drive to encourage more Israeli tourists. The Cyprus judiciary is rotten to the core, a fact that would be backed up by most Cypriots.

That’s just a tinfoil hat conspiracy. There’s no doubt some corruption within Cyprus, as with most countries but do you really think that the Israeli government is pressuring them to fine some random young girl because she said some bad things about a dozen of their citizens. How would that suddenly change their whole approach? They’d now encourage everyone to go on holiday to Cyprus?

Get real.

[Kakopetria]

No I don’t think the Israeli government had anything to do with it at all, I think there corrupt enough to reach this conclusion all by themselves.

[Cold]

A Foreign Office spokesman has announced that “The UK is seriously concerned about the fair trial guarantees in this deeply distressing case and we will be raising the issue with the Cypriot authorities.”

[Keoparakolo]

Kakopetria said:

No I don’t think the Israeli government had anything to do with it at all, I think there corrupt enough to reach this conclusion all by themselves.

So women who claim to have been raped in the UK should all face punishment if the defendant is found not guilty, but if it’s a British women abroad who does it then it’s all a big conspiracy.

Okay.

[Cold]

Keoparakolo said:

So women who claim to have been raped in the UK should all face punishment if the defendant is found not guilty, but if it’s a British women abroad who does it then it’s all a big conspiracy.

Okay.

You might wish to have a little look at the details of this particular case.

She retracted her statement and made a "confession" after being questioned for eight hours by the police without a lawyer present and without the interview being recorded. The statement that followed read as though it was written by someone who didn't have English as their first language.

The evidence of the forensic pathologist, Dr Marios Matsakis, who testified that the marks and injuries she sustained were consistent with being raped was ignored.

In fact all of the defence witnesses have subsequently been rejected and the evidence they gave in court was shut down.

It might not be a conspiracy, but it's also far from being a fair handling and unfortunately this is also not uncommon in Cyprus for these types of cases.

[Fast and Spurious]

Cold said:

You might wish to have a little look at the details of this particular case.

She retracted her statement and made a "confession" after being questioned for eight hours by the police without a lawyer present and without the interview being recorded. The statement that followed read as though it was written by someone who didn't have English as their first language.

The evidence of the forensic pathologist, Dr Marios Matsakis, who testified that the marks and injuries she sustained were consistent with being raped was ignored.

In fact all of the defence witnesses have subsequently been rejected and the evidence they gave in court was shut down.

It might not be a conspiracy, but it's also far from being a fair handling and unfortunately this is also not uncommon in Cyprus for these types of cases.

How do you know all this?
Or just read it somewhere?
Foreigners all bad?

[Cold]

Fast and Spurious said:

How do you know all this?
Or just read it somewhere?
Foreigners all bad?

Why not just have a quick Google and see what you come up with? It would be great if you report back here with a contrary version of this story as it's always good to read both sides.

[Peter911]

I wont go into all the detail, you can do your own research and make your own conclusions.

However it would appear when she realised she had been filmed things werent so good.

At least some of the sex was clearly consensual.

Not an open and shut case. As for the people declaring her 'innocent' without knowing all the facts, its just as bad. Being used as a political football.

[djc206]

Peter911 said:

I wont go into all the detail, you can do your own research and make your own conclusions.

However it would appear when she realised she had been filmed things werent so good.

At least some of the sex was clearly consensual.

Not an open and shut case. As for the people declaring her 'innocent' without knowing all the facts, its just as bad. Being used as a political football.

Not really a political football.

It seems pretty much certain that the Cypriot police have failed to comply with European law with regards to providing access to legal advice. Nothing else matters much after that as any failure to comply with those rules jeopardises the investigation, trial and any conviction. If she gets convicted in the Cypriot courts and she takes it to the ECHR it seems almost certain that she’d win assuming what has been published in the press is even close to the truth.

I’d imagine the Cypriots are fed up of this now, it’s all been terribly embarrassing for them. I would imagine she’ll be set free with a fine in the hope that it all just disappears. Unfortunately whoever the innocent party/parties are in this matter they have had their lives turned upside down by this and the Cypriot police and judiciary haven’t covered themselves in glory either.

[Keoparakolo]

djc206 said:

Not really a political football.

It seems pretty much certain that the Cypriot police have failed to comply with European law with regards to providing access to legal advice. Nothing else matters much after that as any failure to comply with those rules jeopardises the investigation, trial and any conviction. If she gets convicted in the Cypriot courts and she takes it to the ECHR it seems almost certain that she’d win assuming what has been published in the press is even close to the truth.

I’d imagine the Cypriots are fed up of this now, it’s all been terribly embarrassing for them. I would imagine she’ll be set free with a fine in the hope that it all just disappears. Unfortunately whoever the innocent party/parties are in this matter they have had their lives turned upside down by this and the Cypriot police and judiciary haven’t covered themselves in glory either.

I’ve been in Cyprus since October and spend up to 6 months a year here. This trial has never been mentioned by either Cypriots, or ex-pats at any point. The first I knew of this trial was the other day when it was mentioned on the news on the radio. I find it bizarre how this phrase around using the whole population of a country to somehow justify a point has arisen recently. It’s politician speak at its finest.

[Earthdweller]

Keoparakolo said:

So women who claim to have been raped in the UK should all face punishment if the defendant is found not guilty, but if it’s a British women abroad who does it then it’s all a big conspiracy.

Okay.

No

If the defendant was found not guilty there had clearly been a trial and a jury had found the case not proved.

The Police/prosecutors clearly believed the allegation and the evidence available showed it capable of proof

Jury’s often find clearly very guilty people innocent

“Better 10 guilty men walk free than one innocent man is jailed”

Very very different to lying and making up a criminal allegation that could put someone innocent in jail for a long time

If someone is found to have lied and made up a serious criminal allegation against an innocent person then they should feel the full weight of the law

[Keoparakolo]

Earthdweller said:

Keoparakolo said:

So women who claim to have been raped in the UK should all face punishment if the defendant is found not guilty, but if it’s a British women abroad who does it then it’s all a big conspiracy.

Okay.

No

If the defendant was found not guilty there had clearly been a trial and a jury had found the case not proved.

The Police/prosecutors clearly believed the allegation and the evidence available showed it capable of proof

Jury’s often find clearly very guilty people innocent

“Better 10 guilty men walk free than one innocent man is jailed”

Very very different to lying and making up a criminal allegation that could put someone innocent in jail for a long time

If someone is found to have lied and made up a serious criminal allegation against an innocent person then they should feel the full weight of the law

What?

There was no trial for the alleged rape, she made the story up and was prosecuted for it. However, now that she’s been found guilty all of a sudden everyone on here is supporting her. Seems like double standards to me on here around this.

[anonymous-user]

Keoparakolo said:

What?

There was no trial for the alleged rape, she made the story up and was prosecuted for it. However, now that she’s been found guilty all of a sudden everyone on here is supporting her. Seems like double standards to me on here around this.

There are serious and justifiable question marks over the safety of the conviction, as the practices employed by the Police in their interrogation and subsequent 'confession' were rightly outlawed in most other first world nations many years ago.

[saaby93]

Keoparakolo said:

What?

There was no trial for the alleged rape, she made the story up and was prosecuted for it. However, now that she’s been found guilty all of a sudden everyone on here is supporting her. Seems like double standards to me on here around this.

from above it's not that clear
maybe she consented to some , not to others
maybe she included some in the complaint that shouldn't have been
Courts may not be the best way of resolving these issues

[Keoparakolo]

janesmith1950 said:

here are serious and justifiable question marks over the safety of the conviction, as the practices employed by the Police in their interrogation and subsequent 'confession' were rightly outlawed in most other first world nations many years ago.

I love the way people write in a style on here that tries to make them look official.

She has had loads of legal advice subsequently and a trial. She wasn’t beaten to a pulp, forced to sign a confession, then stoned to death outside the police station as many seem to be making out. She made an allegation, she withdrew that allegation, she was then charged with a very minor crime, tried in line with Cypriot law and found guilty.

[anonymous-user]

Keoparakolo said:

I love the way people write in a style on here that tries to make them look official.

She has had loads of legal advice subsequently and a trial. She wasn’t beaten to a pulp, forced to sign a confession, then stoned to death outside the police station as many seem to be making out. She made an allegation, she withdrew that allegation, she was then charged with a very minor crime, tried in line with Cypriot law and found guilty.

I write in English, it's the language in which I was taught. You are playing the man because you can't get the ball.

Her confession was obtained during an unrecorded interrogation in which she was not allowed legal representation. The confession is alleged to have been written in the style of someone who's first language is not English.

Neither you nor I know what was said, threatened or offered during the interrogation, because it was not recorded.

If that behaviour had happened in the UK, the conviction would be overturned and the lady would walk free with her good name in tact.

You are of course at liberty to defend the backwards Policing practices taking place in Cyprus and the unsafe convictions arising from them.

[andy_s]

Keoparakolo said:

janesmith1950 said:

here are serious and justifiable question marks over the safety of the conviction, as the practices employed by the Police in their interrogation and subsequent 'confession' were rightly outlawed in most other first world nations many years ago.

I love the way people write in a style on here that tries to make them look official.

She has had loads of legal advice subsequently and a trial. She wasn’t beaten to a pulp, forced to sign a confession, then stoned to death outside the police station as many seem to be making out. She made an allegation, she withdrew that allegation, she was then charged with a very minor crime, tried in line with Cypriot law and found guilty.

I love the way people write in a style on here that tries to make them look like an arsehat.