Nasty crash in B’Ham

[98elise]

poo at Paul's said:

Sa Calobra said:

It needs Armco just as the access off the M6 into central Birmingham needs Armco

It doesn't. It just needs everyone not to drive like s.

Agreed, a 40mph stretch of road should not need Armco.

[vz-r_dave]

98elise said:

Ari said:

NorfolkInClue1 said:

ruggedscotty said:

andrewparker said:

Taxi driver was 32-years-old and had six children. It’s his 3-year-old daughters birthday tomorrow.

And ?

No disrespect but........

Edit: An utter with a keyboard, a big brave keyboard.

Edited by NorfolkInClue1 on Sunday 17th December 18:56

I can see his point. Without question of doubt it's absolutely horrific and tragic for his family. Does that lessen the horror or tragedy for the widow of a victim without children for example? How about someone with three children - somewhere in between perhaps?

Six people are dead. None is any less tragic or horrific than any other.

Personally I think the death is made worse when you know they have left 6 children. Those six children will grow up without a father and probable bread winner. That may have a massive impact on their lives.

Incredible how ignorant peeps are on PH. Any death is tragic I totally agree. However to attempt to suggest that a mother and her 6 children without a father inst any worse off than a widow with no kids is f....ing ridiculous.

[TooMany2cvs]

Ah... "Won't somebody think of the children?!?" - the early 2000s called, they want their meme back.

[Shilvers]

There's nothing wrong with the layout, flow or speed limit of the road. It can be negotiated easily at 40mph, especially at 1am.

I'd be massively surprised if speed wasn't the factor in all this and some totally innocent road users have been caught up in someone elses moment of madness.

Huge sympathy for the victims and their families. Not so much for the ones that have caused such utter devastation to so many so close to Xmas.

[Blue Oval84]

98elise said:

poo at Paul's said:

Sa Calobra said:

It needs Armco just as the access off the M6 into central Birmingham needs Armco

It doesn't. It just needs everyone not to drive like s.

Agreed, a 40mph stretch of road should not need Armco.

Maybe it shouldn't need it, but it would make the road a lot safer as any kind of head-on would become almost impossible (I'm thinking driver's passing out at the wheel, being inattentive, swerving to avoid something etc). It's only a short stretch as well so would hardly cost a lot.

[untakenname]

The police have been berating people this morning for being ghoulish filming on their phones after the incident but then in the very next tweet down they ask if anyone has any dashcam footage from around that time in the nearby area?

98elise said:

Personally I think the death is made worse when you know they have left 6 children. Those six children will grow up without a father and probable bread winner. That may have a massive impact on their lives.

Going OT and of course it's a shame the driver died (if he didn't cause the crash) but how can you possibly afford to raise six children whilst working as a Taxi driver? Only 32 years of age as well.

[Greendubber]

Blue Oval84 said:

98elise said:

poo at Paul's said:

Sa Calobra said:

It needs Armco just as the access off the M6 into central Birmingham needs Armco

It doesn't. It just needs everyone not to drive like s.

Agreed, a 40mph stretch of road should not need Armco.

Maybe it shouldn't need it, but it would make the road a lot safer as any kind of head-on would become almost impossible (I'm thinking driver's passing out at the wheel, being inattentive, swerving to avoid something etc). It's only a short stretch as well so would hardly cost a lot.

It's quite a long stretch to be fair from spaghetti along the A38M.

[bitchstewie]

untakenname said:

The police have been berating people this morning for being ghoulish filming on their phones after the incident but then in the very next tweet down they ask if anyone has any dashcam footage from around that time in the nearby area?

Big difference between a dashcam that's presumably always rolling vs. "Oh look, a car crash and some dead bodies, I'd better start filming".

People do some fked up stuff.

[TooMany2cvs]

Blue Oval84 said:

It's only a short stretch as well so would hardly cost a lot.

I admire your optimism.

We had a bad crash a couple of months ago in the village. Narrow-but-two-lane NSL road, somebody going WAAAAAY too quick as he exited an uphill LH bend, and promptly ran out of road on the outside of the bend. Unfortunately for him, he then took out a wooden fence, which expressed its disapproval in the most direct way - through the windscreen and his head... (Not fatal yet... "Life-changing", at best.)

Much grumbling led to some poor idiot parish councillor standing there discussing with a couple of the council people what realistic options there were for Something Must Be Done. To extend the existing armco (further down the bend, to prevent people coming down the hill going straight on, over a drop, and into a river) to where this happened - probably not even 150m - was wet-finger-guesstimated by the council's guy as £30-50k. Now, that probably includes a fair chunk for groundwork to give something to mount the barrier to, but...

Edited by TooMany2cvs on Monday 18th December 09:59

[av185]

Chromegrill said:

The underpass is quite easy to lose a sense of speed in as there is a long downwards slope either side

Yep sounds like a very dangerous road indeed what with all those slopes and excessive width which was clearly designed to encourage pricks without seatbelts sticking two fingers up at the law and everyone elses safety by giving them no alternative but to speed and race each other.

After this tragedy this most dangerous of dangerous roads should immediately closrd perhaps for ever and if ever reopened again be made level and narrowed to absolutely guarantee nothing like this ever happens again.

Edited by av185 on Monday 18th December 10:01

[l354uge]

Greendubber said:

It's quite a long stretch to be fair from spaghetti along the A38M.

The a38M has no central barrier because it switches between lane widths to reduce traffic in and out. We'll it used to anyway.

[Greendubber]

l354uge said:

Greendubber said:

It's quite a long stretch to be fair from spaghetti along the A38M.

The a38M has no central barrier because it switches between lane widths to reduce traffic in and out. We'll it used to anyway.

Still does, 4 lanes into city in the morning and 4 lane outbound in the afternoon/evening.

[J4CKO]

There does seem to be a trend emerging of massive accidents in urban settings involving Fast cars driven by young Asian males.

The trouble is if you mention that the "racist" card comes out but six people have died so perhaps if it is mentioned and tackled then others need not, it isnt Welsh Octogenarian ladies, or middle aged white home counties chaps crashing at ridiculous speeds in town centres. Of course young drivers, especially males of any background are prone to crashing but it seems disproportionate that young guys from an Asian background are the ones getting hurt and killed, but of course, quick, throw the "racist" comment out there because to mention a pattern you see emerging is only ok if its "your own" or if you are some daft hate filled Facebook Britain First knobhead who just loves stuff like this to reinforce their cretinous opinions.

There perhaps needs to be some targeted education and a look at why this is happening, not just alluding and skirting round the subject because it is considered taboo.

[Mothersruin]

There is a massive problem in the Middle East and Islamic countries of drivers not using seatbelts. They finally got round to addressing the issue and two key reasons came up for the young males.

Firstly, it was seen as a sign that they didn't have belief in their driving skills as they all thought they were brilliant and therefore wouldn't have a crash. If you're not going to crash, why wear a seatbelt..? Seriously.

Secondly, inshallah, its god's will if anything happens.

[andrewparker]

untakenname said:

Going OT and of course it's a shame the driver died (if he didn't cause the crash) but how can you possibly afford to raise six children whilst working as a Taxi driver? Only 32 years of age as well.

I think many taxi drivers work multiple jobs. How often do you get a taxi and it’s abundantly obvious the driver is knackered? I think it looks like this guy has been caught up in a massive fk up by the Audi driver though.

[andrewparker]

Mothersruin said:

There is a massive problem in the Middle East and Islamic countries of drivers not using seatbelts. They finally got round to addressing the issue and two key reasons came up for the young males.

Firstly, it was seen as a sign that they didn't have belief in their driving skills as they all thought they were brilliant and therefore wouldn't have a crash. If you're not going to crash, why wear a seatbelt..? Seriously.

Secondly, inshallah, its god's will if anything happens.

Weird isn’t it. Everyday I see Asian families dropping children off at the school gates and the children are very rarely belted in. I’ve seen a mother pop a 2-year-old in the front seat and drive off. I think it’s disgraceful behaviour personally.

[andrewparker]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Reporting today that he was due to quit driving the taxi in a few weeks.

[oyster]

l354uge said:

I'd have to agree with others and say scumbags caused this by racing on the street.

I don't know how they can stop these types, take their licence and they'll drive regardless. It's like the wild West driving through Birmingham at times.

Thoughts to the families, not that will make their Christmas any less harrowing.

Driverless cars.

[ikarl]

why can't we just agree that we don't force our opinions down the throat of other people on here?!

some may find the fact he leaves a wife and 6 children much worse than if he was a single middle aged man.

some may not.

it doesn't have to be a competition on who is right/wrong or who is most offended by what another poster has typed. We all think, in the main, slightly different when things like this happens....it doesn't mean someone has to be right or wrong.

[TooMany2cvs]

andrewparker said:

Weird isn’t it. Everyday I see Asian families dropping children off at the school gates and the children are very rarely belted in. I’ve seen a mother pop a 2-year-old in the front seat and drive off. I think it’s disgraceful behaviour personally.

There should be a law against it!